Everything I Know About Love I Learned From Romance Novels

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Today we’re thrilled, thrilled I tell you, to invite to Argh Ink the hardest working woman in romance, Sarah Wendell, possibly the only person who knows absolutely everybody in the business well enough to call them “Honey.” She speaks, she blogs, she films, and she writes books. Her first book, written with her blog partner, Candy Tan, was Beyond Heaving Bosums, the Smart Bitches’ Guide to Romance Novels, and it was a huge success, so it’s not surprising that she’s back again, this time writing solo with Everything I Know About Love I Learned From Romance Novels, in stores NOW.

Love that cover.

I hate interviews where the interviewer hasn’t read the book, don’t you? Well, this is one of them because the book isn’t out and Sarah didn’t send me one. Not that I’m bitter. So since I know nothing about this book, here’s the blurb:

Take a dashing hero with a heart of gold and a mullet of awesome. Add a heroine with a bustle and the will to kick major butt. Then include enough contrivances to keep them fighting while getting them alone and possibly without key pieces of clothing, and what do you have? A romance novel. What else? Enough lessons about life, love, and everything in between to help you with your own happily-ever-after.

Lessons like…
♥ Romance means believing you are worthy of a happy ending
♥ Learning to tell the prince from the frog
♥ Real-life romance is still alive and kicking
♥ No matter how bad it is, at least you haven’t been kidnapped by a Scottish duke (probably)

Doesn’t that sound great? Boy, I wish I’d read it. You do, too, so you should go buy it. TODAY. Why? Let’s ask Sarah.

Jenny: Welcome, Sarah, we’re so glad to have you here at Argh. The place has needed some classing up.

Sarah: Class?! OH crap I am SO in the wrong place. And dude, if you’d wanted a copy, I’d have sent you one, but you already know everything. What would I have to teach you!?

Jenny: Well, not everything. I have questions. But before we start, I have to give the standard disclaimer that we’ve been friends for quite awhile, and you and my daughter, the Amazing Mollie, are partners in a company called Simple Progress that this is not a pitch for because you only take clients by referral. So my views may be, uh, biased. Especially since I haven’t read the book. (As I may have mentioned above, you didn’t send me a book. This is key to the interviewing process when the book is not yet published. But I forgive you.)

Sarah: Ooohhh RIGHT. Yeah. See, the sad thing is, as much as I love and adore and could spend hours talking about Other People’s Books (Like, for example, Agnes and the Hitman, which I loved) I am boy howdy horrible at remembering the proper order to do things to talk about my OWN book. Seriously. Bone Head. But yes, Mollie is my neighbor, along with 3/4ths of New York publishing professionals, I think. I’m forever running into publishing folks on the train. Mollie and I have business meetings in a diner, where we eat pie. One time, Mollie had cheesecake for dessert. After breakfast. Best meeting ever.

Jenny: That’s my kid. I raised her well. And now back to you. Your first claim to fame was the Smart Bitches blog which has, IMHO, some of the best reviews and discussions about romance on the net. What was the impetus behind the start of the blog? To defend the genre?

Sarah: Smart Bitches (and thank you for the compliment) started because Candy and I wanted to have a place where, as she put it, we could work the power of our English degrees on the genre we loved most – and the genre we were hellfire tired of taking crap about. Romance as a genre is awesome. Some of the books within it are outstanding. Others are outstanding pieces of poo. We wanted to talk about all of it, while also elevating the mullet as the quintessential hairstyle of the romance hero. Defending the genre came easily – we were both the subject of one too many well-meaning people saying “Oh, but you’re so smart! How come you read THOSE books?”

Jenny: Oh, those people. They’re the same ones who ask me when I’m going to write a real book. Karma will take care of them. The Smart Bitches blog led naturally to Heaving Bosums, often literally as there have been some incendiary discussions on there. Given the tendency of many readers to become outraged over any slight to romance novels, did you get any grief from people who felt you weren’t taking the genre seriously in your Guide to Romance? (It wouldn’t have been from me. I thought the book was hysterical. Of course, I READ that one.)

Sarah: Yes, we were told at one point that someone was going to get us banned. From what? The internet? My favorite is, “You Bitches have gone too far!” The Bosoms, as we call our first book, did cause some negative reactions, some from people who didn’t like the site and therefore didn’t like the book, and others who didn’t like that we were so jokey about a topic they took seriously. But on the other hand, the Bosoms has been on the syllabus at DePaul University, McDaniel College, Yale and Princeton. I think we did ok with the seriousness in that respect, and what college student wouldn’t enjoy reading about romance novels in a book that uses the word “crapmonkeys?”

Jenny: I seriously feel that the use of “crapmonkeys” would improve any college course. Along with “clusterfuck.” After Heaving Bosums, enflamed by your success, you plunged into your next book, this time flying solo. But this time, your thrust is different. (Is it me, or does all this sound dirty? No, it’s not me, it’s you.)

Sarah: Lord, I don’t thrust or plunge. I trip and fall down. Or walk around with toilet paper caught in my pantyhose like a really classy bridal train. I am here to class up the joint, aren’t I?

Jenny: And you’re doing a stellar job of it, too.

Sarah: Yes, this time the thrust is different. Everything I Know About Love, I Learned from Romance Novels, or, for the sake of Typo Prevention, EIKAL, is actually classified as a “gift book.” You’re meant, according to the publisher, to give it as a gift. I say get it as a gift for yourself if you’re a romance reader, because it is a celebration of the genre and everything we learn from it. And most importantly, it’s not me talking about romance novels. There’s some of me, but more of authors and romance readers talking about the books that are valuable to them.

Jenny: So it’s an anthology of wisdom from the smartest women in the world?

Sarah: Since you’re in it, YES! How’s that for flattery? Yes, there are so many readers and writers in this book all discussing the genre and the books they loved most and learned from — it’s kind of like listening to a really smart book club discussing a pile of excellent romance novels.

Jenny: Let’s talk about some specifics here. You’ve said that the book is light and breezy, written for fun, but it has some semi-serious themes, too. One thing it emphasizes is how important it is to be the heroine in your own life. I love that. Tell me more.

Sarah: Yup! Each chapter is dedicated to one specific lesson we learn from romance novels: we learn to recognize good partners. We learn to understand our own desires. We learn how to overcome obstacles and work through problems. But the first chapter is about how we learn to be the heroine of our own lives through romance novels. Behold: I quote my own book:

[R]omances teach readers that we should know ourselves, and value ourselves, in order to find happiness. Romance readers experience the repeated discovery of someone who not only fought for her happiness, but realized that she was worth the struggle. That’s the first lesson of romance novels, really: romance is found in how we treat ourselves.

Jenny: Okay, this I love.

Sarah: Each of us is the heroine of our own life, and while there are some heroines who we are better off not emulating, there are many others who are admirable because they truly learned what they were worth, and learned to appreciate themselves.

Jenny: I’m with you 100% on that. But you also say that the romance can identify what’s acceptable and not acceptable in a partner, and that’s where I start to go, “Uh, wait a minute.” I understand that you’re not talking about the span of romance since 1950 which would include the nurse-just-wants-a-doctor-to-marry genre, not to mention the sheik-and-the-little-woman subgenre and the eighties rape romance. But even just looking at the romances published in the last decade, you have a real span of hero characters in there, many of whom I wouldn’t take for a shiny nickel. So ‘splain yourself, Lucy: How do romances teach readers about which ones are the good guys?

Sarah: There surely are heroes who are one step into reality away from a mighty mighty restraining order. But a satisfying romance leads the reader to believe that, if the hero hasn’t appropriately atoned and acknowledged his own asshattery sufficiently, he will shortly. Convincing the reader in the happy for now or the happily ever after rests in part on believing that the characters will sustain one another’s happiness.

Jenny: Yes! That’s the toughest part of writing romances, writing the relationship so the reader believes that this one is going to last.

Sarah: We also want to believe that the hero has accepted the heroine for who she is, and I know I personally don’t enjoy romances where the characters have to change in ways that aren’t appropriate for them in order to satisfy the other. Several readers discussed the idea that they decided from reading of courtships that were extraordinary that they themselves shouldn’t settle for what others told them they should want – and ultimately they found what they themselves were looking for in a partner.

But we also learn by negative example. There are romances where the characters undo, recover from, or move away from negative relationships, and that’s the most concrete example of how we learn to recognize a good partner. Robyn Carr put it best in the book:

“I think the antithesis of the question is more important—what do we learn from romance novels that we shouldn’t get over? When our heroines walk away from lying, cheating, abusive relationships, our readers stand up and cheer! When our heroes fail to fall for mean, selfish, manipulative women, our readers applaud! Men and women in real life and in romance novels find themselves trapped in unhealthy, destructive relationships all the time, and when they choose to believe they deserve love, respect, and healthy, enduring relationships, when they reclaim their lives and demand only excellent treatment and a love they can fully trust, life is good. Readers are not only satisfied—they use those characters as role models.”

Jenny: Excellent point and good for Robyn Carr for putting it so well. Next question: I’m good with your thesis that good sex is essential to a happy relationship—hell, it’s essential to unhappy relationships, too—but I’m not sure that I buy that romance novels can help you there. A lot of the sex I’ve read has been, uh, unrealistic. Idealized even. How is that a help?

Sarah: Are we all going to have simultaneous orgasms that cause the earth to move? Ha. No. But yet we are also not so ignorant of our own anatomy that we’re surprised when the clitoris is not only discovered by our partners but put to efficient use. There certainly are unrealistic or idealized or frankly fantastical sex scenes out there. Tentacles, even! As I say in the book, “Part of the problem with romance novel sex is that it is so impossibly perfect, so incredibly over-the-top wonderful, that real sex can seem messy and awkward in comparison sometimes. This is likely because real sex is sometimes awkward and messy.”

But romances are one of the few venues in which women’s sexuality is portrayed positively – and at times as something that can be flawed but definitely fixable. Moreover, romances represent a safe space for women to consider different sexual practices, to explore concepts that they might not be ready to discover in their own lives, or have the ability to explore at all.

Jenny: That’s so true. I remember one conference I attended, where a woman stood up during a Q&A and announced that she’d been sexually abused as a child. I thought, No, please don’t share this. She said she was married to a wonderful man who was very understanding but sex had always been difficult for her even though he was very patient. And then she said, “But one day I read a romance novel.” She said reading in the genre gave her that safe space to tell herself that sex was good and fine and had made a huge difference in her marriage. And then she said, “And now my husband buys all my romance novels.” I cried. And you know me: not a crier. The genre really does make a difference.

Sarah: There’s a letter from an anonymous reader in EIKAL that will make you cry again. Similar themes – there are so few places where women can explore sex as something that is good and healthy and healing and intimate in good ways. And really, most people are curious about sex, as they should be!
Quoting myself again:

“You can experience between the book covers what you might not be quite ready to try underneath your own covers.” There’s tremendous power in that, and in having a private arena in which to consider one’s own sexuality, what turns one’s engine and what doesn’t work at all. We are not a culture that can discuss women’s sexual desire with honesty or even consideration or without involving an airbrush. Romances represent an entire narrative exploration of sexuality and intimacy, and the value of both of those things in a relationship.

Jenny: You’re right and I withdraw my snarky question. So here’s another one: You promise readers that romance novels can not only help them define “Happily Ever After,” it can show them how to get it now. I write romance novels and I don’t know how to get it now. (Again, sounds dirty. Again, I blame you.) Could you be a little more explicit on that one?

Sarah: Yup. And if you find a copy of the book, skip to the last chapter, because I provide a four (I think – I haven’t seen the finished copy either!) page summary of the whole book. You know, for people who like to skip to the end… like me. And the truth about Happily Ever Afters is that (a) they take a lot of work and (b) they are never ending. Happy Endings take a ton of effort, because they’re essentially ongoing courtship. There’s always another obstacle.

Jenny: That so true, about happy relationships needing constant work. I think that’s key to the success of a romance novel, that it was hard to get to that happy ending and they both had to work to get there.

Sarah: And real-life happily ever afters may not always be between two people who are presently together. I absolutely believe that, since each of us has to be the heroine of her own life, we can be happy with ourselves today and tomorrow, and afterward. The happily ever after isn’t just confined to two people riding off into the sunset – it’s about how you treat yourself, and other people who you love and who are important to you. You are part of your own happily ever after, in other words.

Jenny: And those are damn good other words. You have every romance writer who ever flirted with the bestseller list in there giving advice. I’m assuming that’s because you know where the bodies are buried?

Sarah: Well, I tried to email Jane Austen but it bounced. I honestly didn’t expect the degree of amazing contributions from the authors in the book. I know writers are busy people and didn’t expect to hear back from so many – but so many writers were eager to share not only what they found valuable about the genre but what their readers had commented on. Some of the reader stories shared by authors made me cry. Romances can be personally important to the women who read them, and authors have encountered stories of that importance in a variety of ways.

Jenny: I love the cover design, especially the cheeky way they scrawled your name under the 60s’ font title. The cover really captures the spirit of Smart Bitches in general and you in particular: bright, funny, irreverent, swinging, and partially clothed. Okay, not the last one. Is that how you see the book, too?

Sarah: I LOVE how cheeky it is, yes! And I’m so curious if I’ll ever see the illustration under the paper bag on an actual book. That is indeed how I see the book: a funny and positive celebration of the value and lessons of romance novels.

Jenny: Tell me what you want the Argh People to take away from this interview in fifty-nine words or less.

Sarah: There are so many readers and writers of romance who feel exactly the same way you do about the books you love – we all recognize the value and importance of romance. I’m so excited about this book, and proud of how it represents the best parts of the genre, and the community of women who create and read it.

Jenny: Thank you, Sarah Wendell, author of Everything I Know About Love I Learned From Romance Novels, in stores TODAY, so go buy it. Yes, now. You won’t regret it. It sounds really good. (Not that I’d know . . .)

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37 Comments to 'Everything I Know About Love I Learned From Romance Novels'

On October 3, 2011 at 12:52 am Merry said...

My appetite has been whetted :)

good sex is essential to a happy relationship—hell, it’s essential to unhappy relationships, too Well, actually I think a lack of good sex might be associated with unhappy relationships, possibly even at the heart of them.

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On October 3, 2011 at 2:00 am Micki said...

(-: Looks like a lot of fun. Nice interview!

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On October 3, 2011 at 6:36 am Leigh Evans said...

“And now my husband buys all my romance novels.” Okay, that would have made me go all boo-face, too.

Actually, I read this interview over twice. It was well timed for where I am right now. Extemely well timed. Spookily well timed. Three cheers for the woo-woo forces that led me to the blog at 6:36 a.m. on the morning that I was going to tackle ‘that’ scene.

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On October 3, 2011 at 6:41 am Leigh Evans said...

Clearly I offended the ‘woo-woo’s, which is why I now have not one, but two posts. *gloom* It could be a portent for how well my day is going to go. *head thuds on desk* I’m sorry, Goddess of the Woo. I’m very, very sorry…

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On October 3, 2011 at 7:44 am Mary Stella said...

“sometimes flawed but fixable”, not “sometimes flawed but flexible”. Yeesh, eyes. Wake up.

Great interview. Can’t wait to read the book. Go, Sarah!

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On October 3, 2011 at 9:06 am KM Fawcett said...

Great interview! Good luck with the book, Sarah! Can’t wait to read it. Jenny – I just finished Wild Ride yesterday. Loved it. Would I be right in assuming the post for Wild Names was to brainstorm a title for the next book in that series? Would love to read more about these characters even if I have to wait a while for it. I’m patient. :)

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On October 3, 2011 at 9:55 am Jenny said...

Short stories about Delphie, actually. Just because I want to write them.

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On October 3, 2011 at 11:18 am KM Fawcett said...

Awesome!!

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On October 3, 2011 at 10:15 am Kiersten said...

Smart Bitches and Argh. Perfect together. Fantastic interview. Can’t wait to read the book, Sarah!
“We learn to be the heroine of our own lives through romance novels.” Damn skippy.

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On October 3, 2011 at 10:29 am Sarah Wendell said...

Thanks for the congrats!! And thank you for the interview, Jenny. Seriously, hard questions but this is one of my favorite interviews ever. Yay!

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On October 3, 2011 at 10:33 am Janis said...

Thanks for the interview. I’m passing on the news of the book release.

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On October 3, 2011 at 11:28 am Sierra said...

Awesome interview! :D

And as a personal response to your discussion of relationships:

Ten years ago, I was a single almost-20-year-old working at a Borders. I discovered your books. I inhaled your books. I decided I wanted to live in a Jennifer Crusie novel – great sex, great banter, and a man who loved me madly. Beyond just giving me an idea of what I wanted, it gave me the courage to go out there and look for it. To expect it from unexpected areas. And they were a comfort for all those times when I was crushingly lonely.

One guy seemed like he’d be the one, but was just playing mind games. It was actually re-reading Crazy For You for the umpteenth time that made me realize that he was stringing me along for his own purposes. So I kept looking.

Two and a half years ago, I reconnected with the man I’m with now. The man I’m going to marry. We’ve got everything you wrote about that I was so in love with, and more. And those times when I would have held stuff in and possibly sabotaged this amazing thing I’ve got? I remembered how your heroines always found happiness when they started communicating clearly.

So thank you, Jenny. Your books have had such a positive impact on my life, and I can’t tell you how much they mean to me.

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On October 3, 2011 at 6:05 pm Jenny said...

Wow. Thank you very much!

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On October 3, 2011 at 11:41 am Carrie said...

Ooh, fun. I’ll be getting this one. (Well, and the other one.)

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On October 3, 2011 at 12:58 pm McB said...

Excellent interview on a book that sounds very interesting. I’m one of those who came to romance fiction through the historical portal and discovered heroines worthy of the word who outwitted the villains and got themselves out of trouble. Heck, sometimes they even rescued the hero! They were both empowering and just plain fun, like adventure stories for grown women.

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On October 3, 2011 at 1:46 pm Eve said...

congrats! the book sounds amazing! thank you for all you wonderful women who help us grow up into women who are also not-so-bad.

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On October 3, 2011 at 2:35 pm Kelly S said...

Sarah & Jenny rock! Congratulations on the new book!!

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On October 3, 2011 at 3:09 pm Betty Fokker said...

It goes without saying that I love me some Smart Bitches.

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On October 3, 2011 at 3:17 pm robena grant said...

Congratulations on the new book, Sarah. And fabulous interview, Jenny.

A literary book club member and Canadian friend of mine, just returned to our little town for the winter. She’d lost her husband of many years in May. When I asked how her summer had gone she said, “I checked out that author you recommended, Jennifer Crusie. I lazed around and read a ton of her books. Love her humor. Love the feeling I was left with after reading.”

My friend looks great, she has energy, and you know I think those romances helped her enormously.

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On October 3, 2011 at 6:06 pm Jenny said...

Oh, give her my best, please! So glad she had a good time with the books.

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On October 3, 2011 at 3:46 pm Sarah said...

Hey Sierra! I love knowing that you were able to model your happiness after such intelligent heroines. Congrats on finding a wonderful person to be with!

And thank you for the congrats and kind words, y’all! You rule.

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On October 3, 2011 at 6:18 pm Louise said...

Loved the honesty and humour. Terrific interview Jennifer. Congratulations Sarah sounds like a great read and useful gift for under the Christmas tree.

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On October 3, 2011 at 6:25 pm Deborah Blake said...

Kudos on the book and the great interview! I laughed, I cried…

And you know, Jenny, if you wrote one of the essays, then you’ve at least read PART of the book :-)

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On October 3, 2011 at 7:27 pm Patti O said...

LOVED this interview!!! And ordered 5 copies of the book for the Pima County Public Library! Keep up the good work!

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On October 3, 2011 at 7:55 pm Kaetrin said...

Excellent interview by two excellent women! Thx so much! :)

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On October 3, 2011 at 8:03 pm merrymac said...

Great questions, great answers. I’m definitely buying the book.

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On October 3, 2011 at 10:25 pm Jill said...

Wonderful interview ! The book came today (my UPS guy and I have a thing going). the book itself is different. It is a cross between a paper back ( a little larger) and a hardcover.
IMHO Jenny’s sex scenes are more realistic than perfect. More fun than dreary TabA>TabB

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On October 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm Jenny said...

So about this UPS man . . .

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On October 6, 2011 at 1:40 am Jill said...

He brings me presents. I am his favorite stop. If you google my address the UPS truck is parked in front of my house. His stays are short but frequent.

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On October 4, 2011 at 1:02 pm Sarah Wendell said...

it *IS* different, isn’t it? The cover is very touchable. And I mean that in a clean and decent way! But the publisher did a marvelous job with it.

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On October 6, 2011 at 1:37 am Jill said...

I know ! The cover is strokable .

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On October 4, 2011 at 12:47 am Clever Cherry said...

Great interview. The book is on my next book buy list.
I definitely think if nothing else romance novels gave me the strength to not accept less than I deserve and am willing to give in return.
Of course, I’m single now but who cares as long as there are good romance novels to read.

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On October 4, 2011 at 1:16 am Sure Thing said...

I don’t care that she knows you forever. So cool to be interviewed by you.

I do enjoy Smart bitches blog, so hopefully will get to the books. I’ll have to add it to my “To be bought” list.

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On October 5, 2011 at 9:11 am lee said...

aaaand, off topic but riveting! this is totally headed into moderation because it is All About TEH SEXXX, even though I kind of tried to hide it via tinyurl – the results from a survey done in Britain, shown graphically, and the whole thing is interactive, so you can see by gender or location (or any other thing including the car they drive and where they shop) who worries about what during sex, or who prefers lights on or off (or really doesn’t care). I just spent far too long looking at the data in different ways, and it feels like every. single. one. has some kind of story to tell.

So, over here: http://tinyurl.com/3t99wjx is a lot of other people’s feelings about sex courtesy of the BBC.

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On October 5, 2011 at 2:18 pm cleo said...

Hmm, I thought I’d posted to this already, but maybe I didn’t. So great to see two of my favorite authors / blogs in one place. Wonderful interview – the bit about the woman saying “And now my husband buys all my romance novels” made me choke up. And Sarah’s point about romance bringing female sexuality into the open (so to speak) is spot on. I do love romance and romance readers. This blog and SBTB make me proud to be part of the romance reading community.

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On October 5, 2011 at 4:27 pm CrankyOtter said...

Well, I tried to buy it at B&N. The good news is they have 4 copies in stock. The bad news was that they couldn’t find any despite 3 people searching for them. The good part of that is that 3 employees/managers in a very busy bookstore were on the hunt for the title. Then they found it around closing time. So I have to go back to pick it up, but it was not straightforward.

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On October 6, 2011 at 12:58 am Thea said...

Ordered the book today from my snobby, Too Good For Romance Books bookstore. Slowly, for the past, oh, TWELVE YEARS ever since they opened, I’ve been trying to subvert that particular modus operandi. Most of my romance books come from that shop, all by special order.

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