Damn Carrots
Feb22011
I finished the first scene of Haunting Alice and sent it to Jen yesterday (Tuesday), and then I sat back and thought about what I’d done. And, to quote Opus, “Lord, it wasn’t good.” Sunday night we watched Hitch for PopD which I’ve also been thinking about a lot. Both stories have led me back to the Grail Cup of fiction writing–Character is Everything (plus its coaster Don’t Write the Parts People Skip)–which has made me realize FINALLY why it takes me so damn long to write a book. We’re talking Epiphany Territory here. I’d have sat up and shouted “Eureka,” but it upsets the dogs. So . . .
(eureka)
I can’t make a book work until the characters are alive in my head. But if I waited for that to start writing, I’d never get anything done, so I go ahead and start writing, and I know the stuff isn’t right, I know it’s not there yet, but I keep going anyway. And I discover great stuff along the way like Kimberley and Oingo Boingo, and plot threads pop up and it’s all good but it’s not soup yet, it’s just a bunch of ingredients floating around in uninspiring water. There is no steam. The carrots, to extend a metaphor, are still crunchy. It’s the Damp Carrots Stage.
This stage is worrisome because everything feels so wrong, but it’s a process, so I keep going. And going. And going. And it still isn’t right and I get a little weepy. I think about my career. Twenty books. Twenty published books is a damn good career. With the reprints, more than half of them have been NYT bestsellers. In some circles, I am considered a success. I could quit now. No shame in that. Well, except that I quit in the middle of a book. That’s horrible, to just leave those carrots sinking to the bottom of a cold plot. That’s a Frankenstein Mistake: if you create something, you are honor-bound to see it through and take care of it. So I have to finish the book. But after that, I can quit if I want to. Back to work.
The problem with the Haunting Alice first scene is that I kept adding ingredients but I couldn’t get it to cook. Alice was just bitchy. Ethan wouldn’t even come on the page so he was just an empty army surplus jacket. Isolde refused to say a word. They knew it was wrong, but I kept shoving them around. And then it was Feb. 1 and it had to be in and I sent to Jen and felt huge relief for about a nanosecond and then I realized what I was doing. So at six AM this morning, I’m still awake, staring at the ceiling, trying to figure out how to fix this and I cannot think of a way. But twenty books is a career . . .
Then Jen e-mailed me and said the scene was fine but that we didn’t need to use it if I didn’t want to, and I said, “Yes, please, let’s not use it.” And she said, “No problem,” and I heaved a sigh of relief. Which is when I saw the Hitch connection.
Hitch is a movie about a man who understands women so well that he can teach other men how to get over their nervousness and connect with the girls of their dreams. I love Will Smith, and the client he’s working with for the majority of the movie is Kevin James who is excellent, so I had high hopes. But what emerged during the movie and especially during the podcast afterwards, was that we (Lucy March/Lani Diane Rich) didn’t give a damn about Hitch and his girl but we were all over the secondary couple. Albert and Allegra were worlds apart, but they were both vulnerable and both real and as they struggled to put a relationship together, the story arcs their conflict in wonderful small moments that make you root for them every time until the climax of their subplot when Albert suddenly throws his inhaler away and kisses her and then dances in the street. I’m telling you, THAT’s a romance story. And then in the climax of the main plot, when Allegra says, “He threw his inhaler away before he kissed me!” and you know that she knew he was a geek the whole time, well, your heart melts a little. These two crazy kids are gonna make it work. Especially after that wedding dance. We loved Albert and Allegra.
But Hitch and Sarah? They have no problems. They mill around the plot looking like raw vegetables next to the bright and steamy Albert and Allegra. If the main plot needs romance, Hitch and Sarah kiss. If the plot needs conflict, they fight. Or she cries. Or he has an inexplicable food allergy. Or the writers throw a Big Misunderstanding at them. There are so many WTF? moments in the Hitch-and-Sarah plot (they throw vegetables at each other? Really?) that I stopped listening to it and started thinking about other things, like how bad Alice and Ethan were and how twenty books is a career. Then Albert and Allegra would show up and I’d forget all that and think, “Come on, Allegra, he’s darling, get a clue.” (The parts with Hitch and Albert were also brilliant, which leads me to the conclusion that Albert is the heart of this movie. Albert is one well-cooked carrot.)
So here’s what I think. I think the subplot was so simple, the characters so diametrically opposed (he’s an overweight schlub of a junior lawyer in her investment firm; she’s a beautiful, famous socialite) that writing a plot that flowed from their inherent conflict was a natural thing. What will happen if Albert and Allegra go to a party with all her famous friends? He’s the only one who will really listen to her and then defend her again the morons, and she’ll think he’s great. What will happen if Albert and Allegra go to a game? He’ll get mustard on his jacket and teach her to whistle and be really happy for her when she get it right, and she’ll be charmed by what a good guy he is. The characters were simple without being stereotypes: Albert might look like a schlub but he’s smart and funny and he really cares about Allegra beyond her wealth and beauty. And Allegra might look like a sophisticated professional beauty but she’s vulnerable and lonely and warm-hearted and once she really looks at Albert, she’s a goner. The writers knew those characters and wrote a good, simple, basic plot arc for them that was character-driven and real.
Then they got to Hitch and Sarah and knew they were in trouble because they’d created Perfect People.
Hitch is smart, funny, handsome, charming, successful, hardworking, confident, and rich enough to have one of those great NYC apartments you always see in the movies. Also, he never fails. Put him head to head with schlubby Albert in a story and Albert is going to kick his ass every time because we care desperately about Albert while Hitch already has everything, so later for him. Sarah is smart, funny, beautiful, charming, successful, hardworking, confident, and rich enough to have one of those great NYC apartments you also see in the movies. She never has an uncertain moment. Put her head to head with awkward, lonely Allegra and Allegra will walk all over her every time because we’re worried about Allegra while Sarah can do anything, so later for her. The Perfect People romance almost always leads to Dumb Conflicts because if these people are that sharp, there is no impediment to their relationship. Which is when the writers order half a dozen Big Misunderstandings from Amazon because they have free shipping. It’s impossible to stick two Perfect People together because their shiny surfaces make them slide off each other, so I never believed that Hitch and Sarah loved each other. And that killed any emotional involvement I might have.
I think Alice and Ethan were pale, shapeless versions of Perfect People. They were both exasperated at the situation they found themselves in, but they had no stake in that first scene, there was never a moment where they broke a sweat, there was nothing in that scene that either of them couldn’t have handled with their eyes closed. And because they were both shiny smooth generic Perfect People, they were annoying. Everybody in that scene was annoying. I need to write Albert-and-Allegras, not Hitch-and-Sarahs. Which means I have to know Alice and Ethan as grown-ups well enough to show their vulnerabilities, to find out what they want and need that will make them break a sweat. And that scene did not do it.
So I forgot that character is everything and wrote Perfect People which means that no matter how much I turn up the heat, those damn carrots will not cook. Thank God for Jen Enderlin being so understanding. And now I must go back to Liz whose carrots have been simmering for awhile, so now I can turn up the heat and get somewhere. And then when I finish Lavender, I can quit, because twenty books is a career. Except that I already know what the plots of Pink, Peach, and Yellow are, so I’ll have to finish those. And then I’ll have to fix this Alice book and the Nadine book, but then I’m quitting. Because twenty-six books is a career. Probably.
Thought for Today: No Damp Carrots. Thank you.
101 Comments to 'Damn Carrots'
On February 2, 2011 at 4:44 pm colognegrrl said...
If you are still in this phase of self-criticism, you might enjoy the 30 steps to mastery as quoted here:
http://www.yeshoneychyle.com/2011/01/so-you-wanna-be-master.html
I printed them out for my bulletin board because that’s where I save pieces of wisdom.
On February 2, 2011 at 4:55 pm Jenny said...
That is very wise. Especially the gust of wind part.
On February 2, 2011 at 6:48 pm followingtheroad said...
Flipping brilliant. That is my life in a nutshell.
On February 2, 2011 at 11:50 pm Bonnie C said...
I love… “# 27 They’re still f_ _king wrong (Right?)”
LOL!
On February 3, 2011 at 5:32 am German Chocolate Betty said...
Oooooh! Thank you!! This is now up on the wall of my office. I had a Nr 4 crisis yesterday (“you see someone else’s work and feel undeniable misery”) when I thought, omigod, I’ll NEVER make it, I’ll never be that good.
But then I spent two hours looking for the source of a text passage that I had in my notes without luck. Then I realized I wrote it myself. (Didn’t know I was that good, haha).
On February 9, 2011 at 3:57 am Dewsterling said...
Secondary characters are frequently more interesting, particularly in visual media, because they are not given the same intensity of focus as the leads. They get throw-away lines that are often funnier or more insightful. The actors are typically afforded greater leeway in making the character their own.
It may sound like an odd recommendation, but look at the television adaptations of Charlaine Harris’s and L.J. Smith’s books. In either series, the secondary characters demonstrate the fundamental tenants of filmmaking: don’t tell the story, show it (which is completely opposite of writing). TVD’s Damon is expressive in a way that Stefan is not. The same is true of Caroline and Elena. The supporting character shows us emotion and leaves the audience wanting more. Comparativel, the audience is TOLD to like the lead based on nothing more than their dominating screen time. On True Blood, without the narrative voice of Sookie that defined Charlaine Harris’s series of Dead novels, the screen version of the lead characters are unpleasant. Only the supporting characters Eric, Pam, and Lafayette have emotional spectrums.
On February 9, 2011 at 8:37 pm Molly said...
I got tears at #1 (“Start”). There’s something so profound and gentle about a website entitled “Yes Honey Chyle” telling you to just get going. Thanks for posting
On February 2, 2011 at 5:09 pm McB said...
To carry your analogy a little further …
It’s winter and I like soup so I’ve been experimenting with soup stocks recently. I always figured nice big chunks of vegetables were the way to go, until I read that smaller pieces = more surface area for releasing the flavor. Makes sense.
Hitch was a big chunk of carrot that looked appetizing but did nothing for the stock. Albert is the smaller piece that gets cooked down and shouldn’t be that noticeable, but that’s where the flavor came from.
What makes the characters in your books so great is that there’s so much going on with them … lots of surface area there. But isn’t that a progressive kind of thing? I mean, lots of chapters = lots of opportunities for releasing the flavor. One chapter would be like bringing a pan water to a boil in two minutes and expecting the same flavor as if you simmered the pot all day. It’s a lot to expect from one lonely carrot with no celery or onions to keep it company.
On February 2, 2011 at 6:31 pm Briana said...
Everything you said makes sense. I’m glad that you were able to tell them not to use the first chapter — that’s a relief for you. Though by starting it, maybe they will simmer a little in the meanwhile. Good luck with Liz!
I was thinking about PopD yesterday….I re-read a book that I hadn’t much liked the first time — snow day, it was here, whatever — and I realized it had the same problem. It was romance, the final book in a short series that was interconnected. Except…there was NO conflict. A whole book and she was perfect and successful and high-class and he was rough-around-the-edges, but also gorgeous and successful and no question a good guy. He was friends with her brother, her friends all liked him, he was good to his mother, they had chemistry. A whole book and it didn’t take me long before I realized why it wasn’t that good — there was no reason the two of not to get together and work it out and so there was really no journey with it. Which made it not all that satisfying. So I learned something!
I might cry about the “no more books” except you also have that fairy tale collab and then…yeah, I think I’ll wait until those are done before I cry about it.
On February 3, 2011 at 4:03 pm Bharti said...
I think I know this book and I agree.
On February 8, 2011 at 11:16 am Carrie said...
Lol – I think I know this book too. (HEA by NR?) And that just answered my question of why I didn’t like that book as much as the rest. We knew what was going to happen two books earlier.
On February 2, 2011 at 6:47 pm followingtheroad said...
You can’t stop at 26. You have to stop at a round number. You could have stopped at 20, but you’ve past that milestone. You’re going to have to make it to 30. Sorry.
30 is a career. Unless you get to 31 and then… well- you know.
On February 3, 2011 at 3:44 pm Deborah Blake said...
followingtheroad is very wise. Except I think 50 is a much rounder, more satisying number. After 50, you can quit. I promise.
On February 3, 2011 at 6:21 pm Kelly S said...
anyone for 100? I think Krissie has done it…
On February 2, 2011 at 6:54 pm Betty Fokker said...
The only thing that made Hitch a slightly cooked carrot was the fact that he, usually so suave and debonair, kicked Sarah in the fact accidentally. It reminded me of my first date with Sweet Babou. But you are right. Sarah and Hitch were … crackers served with the soup, not the soup itself.
Alice grew up with killer ghosts and everyone she loved died for a big part of her childhood. I think that screams character development potential. Think of the PTSD that woman has, and think of how much we (your adoring readers) will all love her when she overcomes it. The perfection and snark can be her veneer of control. Then love will crack that sucker. You do better cracked-veneer than any writer I know. We have faith in you Crusie. And 87 books would be a damn fine career.
On February 2, 2011 at 7:08 pm Briana said...
I’m with Fokker. 87 books is good.
And Ethan — from Faking It? Very surprisingly together as a kid, but there’s got to be some reason he grew up too fast…or maybe Nadine breaking his heart.
On February 2, 2011 at 8:21 pm piper said...
Ethan was not together. We just thought he was. In reality he came from a slightly shady homelife and saw Nadine’s family as “functional” missing the “dys” present in his. In fact, I’m pretty certain he always thought (in his heart) that he was a cupcake, and the muffin outlook was all a facade.
Definitely cracks that will make him a fully cooked carrot.
On February 2, 2011 at 11:22 pm Jennifer said...
Hmmm, Alice and Ethan? This could come out interesting…
On February 2, 2011 at 7:19 pm Catherine said...
You have no idea what a relief your carrot theory is to me. This answers so many of my own misgivings. It’s cleared out a lot of futile I know sort of what’s wrong, and I know it’s not all wrong, but what the heck is right seething time.
Thank you so much for sharing your process and holy shit that’s it moment.
On February 2, 2011 at 7:44 pm Jane said...
I love the carrots and the soup analogy on this very cold day. I’m going to come back and reread this later. Now I just have to say that you can’t stop after the book you’re working on is done. Nadine’s book must make it to my hands (with at least a glimpse at Tilda & Davy.) Also, Slow Men is crucial to the fate of the cosmos. And, if you don’t want me adding to those demands, you are going to have to block me from ever hearing about any future plots that you are putting on to simmer. Because I just can’t stand thinking I might be missing something. Why yes, it is all about me. Didn’t you know? ; )
On February 2, 2011 at 8:06 pm CrankyOtter said...
If for no other reason, bless you for explaining to me why I both do and don’t like Hitch. Bless you also for making it so much fun to read about your epiphany. You often used to refer to “the girls in the basement” which fits nicely with your soup analogy in that they’re both about messing about with the ingredients before coming up with the final product. Bless you thrice for this insight as it made my writing life (academic papers, letters to friends, blogs) so much easier. All my life, people said “outline first” and all my life this failed me as I’m also the kind of person who has to write down the “story” before I know what the story is. If you ask me to outline something ahead of time, I cannot. There is nothing there yet to outline.
But if I write a paper on, say, the way various societies venerate their dead, and write the whole first draft, then I could take it apart, figure out which bits went together, which bits needed to be gone, and how to make the paper read smoothly. Often using the exact same sentences in a different order, the paper made sense. With that method, I got an A. Had I tried to outline it from notes, I would never have written the paper at all (which is why I took an incomplete until I figured out how to write).
Some people have whole stories in their head and it’s just a matter of getting it out. Those of us who don’t have to cut up all the soup ingredients first, tehn stir the carrots over heat for a long time. Or braise them in the oven while we’re off making salad.
On February 2, 2011 at 8:10 pm Renee said...
NO NO NO. 50 is a lovely number, a nice round number. Or if you’re in the mood for an odd number I think 75 is also a completely lovely number. I’m good with either, although, now that I think about it, 75 is far more lovelier than 50.
On February 3, 2011 at 3:45 pm Deborah Blake said...
I stand corrected. I didn’t read far enough down the comments. 75 is much better than 50.
On February 2, 2011 at 8:16 pm Thea said...
Oh, what you did for a whole lotta us Argh folk. You exposed your vulnerability in the face of this book, hit us with the insight you earned. Kablooey, the light went on for — did I say a lot of us? Me. Plus the road led to where the wind gusts.
On February 2, 2011 at 8:24 pm piper said...
I don’t know what would be a good point to call it a career, but I think it is after I’m dead. Sadly for you, I am relatively young. Truthfully, I’m not, but I’m not old either (insert crazy laughter).
I totally did not care about Hitch’s romance. And now I know it is because of carrots.
On February 2, 2011 at 8:37 pm Briana said...
@Piper — You’re absolutely right about Ethan and I was trying to say that (but not well!). That’s why I said there had to be some reason. His own family’s mess would definitely work. That seeming “togetherness” though — pull it apart and you have a good carrot.
And all this talk of carrots…am I the only one thinking of Cake Wrecks and their carrot jockeys? http://cakewrecks.blogspot.com/2008/06/naked-mohawk-baby-carrot-jockeys.html
On February 2, 2011 at 8:58 pm Kelly S. Bishop said...
Sadly, Hollywood does NOT seem to understand that or they wouldn’t keep making so many romances with “perfect people”.
On February 2, 2011 at 9:08 pm Jen said...
Thank You! You just cleared up a huge problem in my writing. I know the people in two stories I have been working on, but I have been trying to make them Perfect People, which they aren’t.
I was going to knit tonight, but now I think I need to write. (I wish I was an octopus, then I could do both.)
Oh, and you summed up exactly what I feel about Hitch. I watch it again and again, but am only satisfied and tuned in for Albert and Allegra.
On February 2, 2011 at 9:11 pm BJ said...
Question: What are the checks and numbers at the lower left of comments?
On February 2, 2011 at 10:16 pm Jenny said...
It’s like a thumbs up button. If you put your cursor over it, it says something like “I like this comment.” Argh People asked for it so they could say, “Ditto,” without breaking the blog again.
On February 2, 2011 at 9:22 pm Chrissy D. said...
“That’s horrible, to just leave those carrots sinking to the bottom of a cold plot.”
BWAH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (I love puns.)
On February 2, 2011 at 10:26 pm Phyllis said...
All that, plus Sarah was a robot through most of it. Thank you for explaining what bugged me most about that movie!
And yes, definitely a round number of books….
On February 2, 2011 at 11:49 pm robena grant said...
And now I want to add some chicken stock, spring onions and celery, to your carrots, and then gently plop in some matzo balls. It’s damn cold, even here in the Cali desert. Soup, yum. Hope you guys are all staying warm and safe back there in the land of crazy winter storms.
I love how you describe your work with the rough draft. And you know that draft doesn’t matter because you always ace it with the final one. That’s when you become like the wedding cake designer, you layer with something sweet and delicate, you use exotic icings and decorations, and you create a one of a kind masterpiece. And your editor knows that. She can afford to be patient and forgiving because she knows you won’t fail her. I’m not at all worried that you’ll quit at 26.
On February 2, 2011 at 11:51 pm hollygee said...
You are freaking brilliant. That explanation is clear. It’s so tough to find clarity.
On February 2, 2011 at 11:58 pm wonderer said...
THIS. This right here is why I love your blog. It gives me insights (in this case writing-related, but not always), it’s funny and thoughtful at the same time, and it’s chock-full of flavour, I mean voice.
Am now peering suspiciously at the characters in the ms I’m editing…
On February 3, 2011 at 12:10 am Michael Mock said...
Brilliant. Marvelous! Wonderful! Also, I’m very glad you decided to let that first chapter lie, rather than sending yet another bolt of lightning down to the slab. If your monster isn’t complete, no amount of voltage will bring it to life…
On February 3, 2011 at 3:14 am Sure Thing said...
This is the best explanation of why I didn’t like Hitch himself.
And its yet another example why this blog is great and you are the best!
On February 3, 2011 at 7:25 am Carol-Ann said...
Which is when the writers order half a dozen Big Misunderstandings from Amazon because they have free shipping.
For the record, this column and comments like this are why I keep coming back for more. I laughed heartily and agreed lots; you put into words what I’ve suspected for a time. I just never would have thought of a carrot analogy. I never think about carrots. Unless is Cpl Carrot from the Discworld.
On February 3, 2011 at 8:12 am Kieran said...
I’m printing this one out! One of my very favorite Argh posts!!!
On February 3, 2011 at 9:09 am Sure Thing said...
More carrot, more carrot. I’m paraphrasing the “Pies Everywhere” scene from The Great Race when the King walks through the cream pie fight saying “brandy, throw more brandy, more brandy.”
At least when you have enough cooked carrot, you don’t have to worry about any sticks.
On February 3, 2011 at 9:32 am Diann said...
I’m trying to empathize with your pain in the creative process, really I am, but inside I’m jumping up and down screaming “ETHAN! ALICE! NADINE! I love Ethan! I love Nadine! I think Alice is a little spooky but I can’t wait to find out what she’s like when she grows up! ETHAN! ALICE! NADINE! …”
On February 3, 2011 at 9:33 am Tori said...
This has nothing to do with your fabulous soup theory. I just felt the need to share the fact that I give a little fan girl squee every time you talk about writing a book about Nadine and Ethan since Faking It is my very favorite Crusie book, and one of my favorite books period. No pressure or anything.
On February 3, 2011 at 10:04 am Mary Stella said...
Please ask the academic to come over and read this blog. THIS is one of the main reasons that I come to Argh Ink. You’re brilliant, funny, and you give great insight. You sharing your process and what you realized is such rich information for the rest of us.
On February 3, 2011 at 10:19 am sharon said...
This talk of quitting-I know that you are seriously considering the idea BUT-It’s winter, cold and dark and depressing. The future does not look rosy and you feel like you are in a black maze of story lines and unfinished books. Please be kind to your self and know that we are thinking of you. If you never published another book, we would still think you are a wonderful writer and person. But we also know how creative your mind can be and look forward to anything from Jennifer Crusie.
On February 3, 2011 at 11:06 am Brussel Sprout said...
It really is all in the character. The thing is, we all know the plot. There’s a dead body, somebody sooner or later is going to work out the who, where, what and why, even if it’s a locked room or a serial killer stick. There’s a romance, sooner or later there’ll be smooching and maybe some rumpy-pumpy and then an HEA. It’s a spy story, there’ll be double crossing and games and twists and turns like a rollercoaster, but there’ll be the resolution and maybe some kind of cliffhanger to get us to number 2 or 22 in the sequence. Ad nauseam. We know there are only 3 or 7 or 15 plots, or whatever the formula is. But the big difference is whether we are invested in the characters or not…
Thinking Dorothy Sayers, there’s the murder stuff and all the deduction which is good fun, but really, what we want to know is how Peter Wimsey is going to evolve and go all quippy on us…and you can multiply that for all our favourite fictional creations – from Buffy and Angel to Dorothea Brooke. It’s the people we love, sometimes literally. Even macho stuff like all those Lee Childs Jack thingy books.
On February 3, 2011 at 12:01 pm Dee said...
I love it when you do this. Not when you get hung up and frustrated and want to pull your hair out, but when you figure it out and share the explanation with the rest of us. It’s enlightening, educational, and strangely soothing. I dig you, Crusie.
On February 3, 2011 at 12:47 pm Jessie said...
This gives me the reason why I so very rarely like sequels (I know I am alone in this). Instead of the author cooking the soup from scratch, there is an assumption that the broth was already made in the previous book and canned broth (the previous book) is good enough for the character development and the readers will just start from there. And soup made from scratch usually does have more flavor. And if it isn’t from scratch there had better be a lot of fresh herbs added and some lemon juice or wine (character development) or there will be no zing in the flavor.
On February 7, 2011 at 9:50 am Mary Anne in Kentucky said...
To me (I do like sequels) the sequel is the soup you make based on the remains of the pot roast that was the first book. If it was a good pot roast, and you add interesting ingredients, you’ll have good soup. If it wasn’t a good roast…not so much.
On February 3, 2011 at 1:37 pm Tawna Fenske said...
Wow. Just wow.
So much of this really resonated with me, especially the part about just sort of limping along until you really get to know the characters and forcing yourself through the motions even when it’s not working because you know it’s all part of the process. There are moments where I find myself in that same position and the annoying voice in the back of my mind says, “I’ll bet really good authors like Jennifer Crusie don’t do shit like this. I bet she always knows exactly what she’s doing.”
So, um…thanks for this. It helps. A lot.
Tawna
On February 3, 2011 at 2:16 pm carolc said...
Damp carrots and 30 Steps to Mastery. No wonder I love ArghInk!
Although, I gotta say, my 30 Steps to Mastery list is more like 40 Steps, leaving plenty of places to insert “one step forward, two steps back”.
On February 3, 2011 at 2:44 pm colognegrrl said...
I suppose at times, the “keep going” does not necessarily refer to a straight line.
On February 3, 2011 at 2:29 pm Kate said...
Thank you so much for the post today! It has really helped me rethink some of my characters and to know what to look out for. By the way 30 books would make an awesome career too – just keep plucking away.
On February 3, 2011 at 3:16 pm Becke Martin/Davis said...
I want to bronze this post.
On February 3, 2011 at 4:12 pm Bharti said...
I am not a writer, but I dig learning about your process. Thanks for sharing! And I totally LOVE PopD! Still looking for the douche bag hair. Have found at least 6 examples and its only Thursday.
On February 3, 2011 at 4:13 pm Kate George said...
Droped by for a quick read. Learned a shit load of stuff about Carrots and Characters and Flaws from one small post and walked away shaking my head. I’m amazed.
On February 3, 2011 at 4:15 pm Cheri said...
Just that – whether writing twenty books makes a career or not, it makes a hell of a damn good teacher. The best thing about your books has always been the imperfect people that we love and root for . . . Thank you.
On February 3, 2011 at 5:08 pm Katrina (Cherry Smoothie) said...
OMG THIS is why I love you!
You gave us Muffins and Donuts and now Cooked Carrots…
I’m sorry Jenny but 20 or 26 of your books isn’t enough for me.
You can’t quit.
On February 3, 2011 at 7:56 pm Clever Cherry said...
Great blog. I love the windows into your process. I have confidence that the Alice & Ethan and the Nadine & Carter books will come. Mostly because there is so much fodder for character development. I am glad to know that you are committed to the 4 Liz books. I breather easier thinking there will be 6 books and at least one more colab coming.
If there was anything I could do to make the process easier for you, I’d do it in a heartbeat. Do you need an intern?
On February 3, 2011 at 9:14 pm Pam said...
Thank you, thank you, thank you. You have no idea how stuck I was . . . Then again, you probably do.
On February 3, 2011 at 9:53 pm Mariah said...
This post got me thinking about Alice as an adult, and apartment hunting must be hell for her. It can’t be easy to find a place that doesn’t already have ghost occupants, so no matter where she lived, she’d probably have an (unwanted?) roommate. I can imagine that the little things would be much harder for her than for the rest of us, because no matter where she goes there will be a dead person trying to get her to bring a message to someone living. Even with the stability that Andy and North gave her, she’ll have to navigate that mess and it won’t be easy.
On February 3, 2011 at 11:01 pm Jenny said...
Alice and Carter still live at home, which isn’t surprising since North and Southie were still living with Lydia in two adjoining houses. Lydia keeps a grip on her family.
On February 4, 2011 at 5:33 am Briana said...
So she’s still talking to Dennis the couch? Yeah. Her life isn’t that easy — she can’t be perfect!
On February 4, 2011 at 11:27 am Cherry Clawed said...
How old are they for this book? I know I’d consider it a serious thing to get over if a guy who hit on me were still living at home without a really good reason (taking care of his parents, horrible job market, etc) so that would definitely make her a non perfect person to still be living at home although Ethan would have grown up with that observing Nadine’s family (although they all had separate apartments in Faking It, just all within the same house, right? or am I misremembering?). Also, I’d almost kill to read a scene with Alice apartment hunting in Columbus or running into a ghost in the short north.
On February 4, 2011 at 2:16 pm Jenny said...
Nadine can’t judge. She’s still living in the Goodnight Gallery apartment.
On February 3, 2011 at 10:19 pm Jinx said...
I’m glad you weren’t forced to put the preview chapter in when you hadn’t had the opportunity to STOP WRITING FOUR OTHER NOVELS TO WRITE THIS NOVEL. Good move.
What I’d like to know is whether there is anything the blog readers or forum people could do that would help the percolation process? When it comes to a sequel, people reading the original book might be in a position to give you more ideas than your own unconscious can dredge up about unfinished business. What if you asked fans to submit questions that were left unanswered in the first book, or that occurred to them as they thought about the characters’ futures? Would that be a possible Anything Drawer of ideas you might sift through to set wheels in motion?
On February 3, 2011 at 11:02 pm Jenny said...
You know, these sequels are happening so long after the originals–twenty years for Alice and fifteen for Nadine–that they’re really new stories. Since the original stories were about Andie and Tilda, they’re really not even sequels. But thanks for the offer!
On February 3, 2011 at 11:23 pm Ericka said...
i really enjoy your brain.
i’m having a really hard time not clicking all of the little checks to see if the blog breaks…
On February 3, 2011 at 11:47 pm Jenny said...
How about if we just put up a Do Not Push button for you?
Really, wouldn’t that be great? And then you pushed the button and there was a big explosion, and when the smoke cleared the blog was still here so you could do it whenever you felt like blowing something up? Like a Staples Easy button. Only not.
I just watched Red again. That may be skewing my judgment.
On February 4, 2011 at 11:20 am LilyC said...
There’s a button like that in the Science Museum in London. It’s called Do Not Touch and it gives you a mild electric shock if you do. Many, many people do. Repeatedly.
On February 4, 2011 at 1:58 pm misspiggy don'twannabe said...
There was a bar outside of Minneapolis that had a life size picture of David inside the Ladies Room. There was a fig leaf covering his privates. If you were to lift the fig leaf all of the lights in the bar would go off and a siren would sound.
A friend of mine was in the restroom and the siren sounded and the lights went out – less than a minute later; it happened again. When she emerged people were asking why she lifted the leaf twice – she said she couldn’t see anything in the dark so the second time she lit a lighter to see what the fig leaf was hiding.
The “Do Not Touch” button reminded me of that.
On February 6, 2011 at 9:50 am Katrina G said...
I would have done that. Or dug out my digital camera to record the moment for posterity!
On February 4, 2011 at 6:23 pm Kelly S said...
There is a bar like that in Milwaukee too – The Safe House. You need a password to get in or perform whatever little stunt the person at the door requests. It is a wonderful bar with a spy theme.
This also reminded me of an incident at my previous place of employment. There was a big red button, under thick plastic walls of protection near a door at the data center. It was a master shut off switch for all the computers running there. An intern’s first day there he chose to push it, thinking it opened the door he wished to pass through. It was also his last day working there.
On February 7, 2011 at 12:53 pm Jackie said...
That is a common story. I have worked in IT since it was DP. Computer rooms had lots of big red buttons that should only be used in an emergency. I always saw them as asking for trouble.
On February 4, 2011 at 1:02 am Kim said...
Loved your post, as usual. And then I saw your comment about rewatching Red. ****Spoilers ahead *************I’ve watched it twice in 2 days. I may have to watch it again before Netflix gets it back. I’m 52 years old and didn’t realize how tired I was of watching actors in their twenties on my television/movie screen. It is so refreshing to watch older characters kick butt, in a very wise and ergonomically correct manner. Bruce Willis is still hot, as are Morgan Freeman, and John Malkvich. When I grow up, I want to be an assassin, just like Helen Mirrin, who knows how to accessorize evening gowns with snow boots. The movie rocks.
On February 4, 2011 at 11:54 am Skye said...
Yup, gonna have to rent it and watch it again. Glad I watched it on the big screen, because my own tv is only 22″. Across the room. I may have to move my little bebeh tv closer to watch this movie!
On February 4, 2011 at 12:27 pm Eve said...
So, I know I’m terribly late but to play devil’s advocate, didn’t you want to write a writer’s guide book? which would put you at a lucky 27 (lucky for us).
Also, MTT took place in 92, Faking It, present time and yet their stories collide. Help! My brain is not wrapping around that one.
And RED is awesome
go Helen Mirren!
On February 4, 2011 at 4:07 pm Sierra said...
Okay, totally random post, but Jenny…did you see that the Old Spice Guy is back? There’s even a new commercial that got released only today. I immediately thought of you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3R2cnxz27LI&feature=player_embedded
On February 4, 2011 at 6:38 pm Skye said...
Yummy! Thanks for posting this, Sierra!
On February 8, 2011 at 3:23 am colognegrrl said...
There is hardly something more enjoyable than the Old spice guy. Unless it’s the Sesame Street version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkd5dJIVjgM&NR=1&feature=fvwp
On February 4, 2011 at 7:29 pm Karen said...
Totally off topic. Colin Firth will be on Inside the Actors Studio on Monday.
On February 5, 2011 at 9:01 am Sure Thing said...
Loved RED when I saw it on the big screen. The friend I watched it with has similar tastes in books that I have. So we were completely sold on
???spoiler
a guy who reads the same books just to get insight into his girl.
End possible spoiler!!!
On February 5, 2011 at 11:20 am Jenny said...
That romance was done just right. As was the subplot romance.
On February 5, 2011 at 12:03 pm Sure Thing said...
It was done right. We told EVERYONE about the film and told them to watch it. Not sure if they listened though!
On February 5, 2011 at 12:11 pm Sure Thing said...
It was pretty outstanding. We raved about it to our friends. I hope that they listened to us and watched it.
On February 6, 2011 at 11:46 am Kim said...
Best first date ever! Still laughing over that.
On February 5, 2011 at 12:16 pm Sure Thing said...
Oops. Have no idea what happened there! I thought that blog had eaten my first comment and reposted! But all things considered, this is exactly how we spoke about the movie – repeatedly.
On February 5, 2011 at 8:10 pm carol grosser said...
I lurk for inspiraton…Got my fix today. Thanx :+)
On February 7, 2011 at 12:24 am Bob Mayer said...
Ethan was the name of the John Wayne character from the Searchers upon who I based the male lead in Wild Read. John Wayne’s best role.
On February 7, 2011 at 11:09 am Jenny said...
That’s a different Ethan. This one was a fifteen-year-old kid in Faking It. The Ethan from Wild Ride is somewhere with Wheeler shooting something.
On February 7, 2011 at 3:47 pm McB said...
Well, … I’m trying to decide if I can wrap my brain around Jenny’s Ethan growing up into Bob’s Ethan. They both hung around with some pretty eccentric people in their formative years.
I was thinking of Bob over Christmas, actually, because my cousin got very worked up over the remake of True Grit. Since he’s about 10 years younger than I am I was surprised he had even seen the original. Turns out he’s a big fan of The Duke. Now I know what to get him next Christmas.
On February 8, 2011 at 1:36 am Jenny said...
No, no, two SEPARATE Ethan’s. Nadine’s Ethan came first, and then Bob wanted to name his guy in Wild Ride Ethan, and I said, “I already did an Ethan, but nobody will get them confused, so go ahead.” Clearly I was wrong. ARGH.
On February 8, 2011 at 11:42 am McB said...
LOL! Just kidding! I have never put the two characters together, let alone confused them.
On February 8, 2011 at 3:25 am colognegrrl said...
Wild READ? Now is that a Freudian mistake or what?
On February 8, 2011 at 5:37 am Jenny said...
Bob doesn’t make mistakes. He always has a Plan.
On February 7, 2011 at 5:12 pm Hellie said...
You are a genius. Now I understand that while I liked that movie, I didn’t love it, and I’ve never rewatched it again. And that the parts I remember, are Albert’s stuff.
I’ve noticed that. We hate to create imperfect characters because we want readers to like them–but readers would like them if they were just a little less perfect.
On February 7, 2011 at 5:27 pm Kira said...
I’m really glad they’re not going to publish that 1st chapter. It wouldn’t have worked for you.
I imagine that it might be very difficult to create an Alice as a grown up, given that the inspiration for Alice is still living with you as a child. How could you possibly give her flaws?
On February 8, 2011 at 1:37 am Jenny said...
Oh, she has flaws. Both the real life models and the grown up character. I used the girls for research, neither one of them is Alice.
On February 8, 2011 at 12:23 pm Skye said...
Now I have to reread MTT. And maybe Wild Ride. MTT will be easier, it’s on the nook. WR is in a box. But at least the box is here and not in storage!
On February 8, 2011 at 4:10 pm CrankyOtter said...
Found this cool link today (atlantic, Ta-Nehesi blog) about the courage to fix bad writing. I think it has a great tie-in to this thread.
http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2011/02/bad-writing/70916/
On February 9, 2011 at 5:39 pm Eva said...
The problem is in recognizing it. And, in a way, it’s better that you take longer. Longer is good. Simmering happens when it’s longer. Unlce Stevie talks about putting the book in a drawer and letting it sit for 6 months and never taking it out because you can’t step back enough to see what the problem is. You can’t do that on the hamster wheel. But when you take a long time, you can because eventually your subconscious will whip off the fabric cover and give you a big reveal.
On February 9, 2011 at 8:44 pm Molly said...
Loved this blog entry. You’re so right, as per usual. Off to cook some carrots.
Also, I can’t believe Alice is too perfect. Talk about a f-ed up childhood! If that doesn’t give her some depth and awkwardness to go with her crazy wardrobe sensibility, I don’t know what would. Hang in there and all praise La Enderlin.