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		<title>By: CrankyOtter</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/11/13/revising-liz-and-vince/#comment-136930</link>
		<dc:creator>CrankyOtter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does this post count for your NaNo word count?</description>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Honestly.

Cross my heart.

I&#039;m not a Vampire!</description>
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<p>Cross my heart.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a Vampire!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/11/13/revising-liz-and-vince/#comment-136880</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 18:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murder mystery, not romance novel.  Also, series, so these people will all be back in future books, no need to tied everything up at the end of this one except for the mystery plot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murder mystery, not romance novel.  Also, series, so these people will all be back in future books, no need to tied everything up at the end of this one except for the mystery plot.</p>
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		<title>By: Anette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could also set Molly and Waylon up as secondary team of pro-ant, and play them for a prime team conflict later in the story. You do something like that in f.ex. Strange Bedfellows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could also set Molly and Waylon up as secondary team of pro-ant, and play them for a prime team conflict later in the story. You do something like that in f.ex. Strange Bedfellows.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am bummed that you aren&#039;t working on slow men until the other books are finished.  I love when you have sequels and the characters connect throughout your different novels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am bummed that you aren&#8217;t working on slow men until the other books are finished.  I love when you have sequels and the characters connect throughout your different novels.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/11/13/revising-liz-and-vince/#comment-136835</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny S, with a space.  I&#039;m there.

Frame:
Interview with the Vampire:
Begins with a journalist interviewing a man in a San Francisco apartment.  The man is telling him the most important thing he knows, he wants the journalist to tell everyone.
Then you have the central story which is how Louis became a vampire, giving himself up to evil which will haunt him for eternity.
Then you go back to the frame with the journalist and Louis tells him to tell everybody, to warn all about evil, and the journalist says, &quot;Make me a vampire!&quot;
The central story is just an adventure story; the frame gives it depth by casting it as a story about the overwhelming allure of evil.
Heart of Darkness is another frame story.  Generally, frames are lazy writing, closely allied to prologues and epilogues, but when they give the central story depth, cast it in a new light, turn it on its ear, they can be really effective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny S, with a space.  I&#8217;m there.</p>
<p>Frame:<br />
Interview with the Vampire:<br />
Begins with a journalist interviewing a man in a San Francisco apartment.  The man is telling him the most important thing he knows, he wants the journalist to tell everyone.<br />
Then you have the central story which is how Louis became a vampire, giving himself up to evil which will haunt him for eternity.<br />
Then you go back to the frame with the journalist and Louis tells him to tell everybody, to warn all about evil, and the journalist says, &#8220;Make me a vampire!&#8221;<br />
The central story is just an adventure story; the frame gives it depth by casting it as a story about the overwhelming allure of evil.<br />
Heart of Darkness is another frame story.  Generally, frames are lazy writing, closely allied to prologues and epilogues, but when they give the central story depth, cast it in a new light, turn it on its ear, they can be really effective.</p>
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		<title>By: Deborah Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deborah Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 03:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your deconstruction of scenes. I learned more from your Turning Points workshop at RWA that I have learned anywhere else, and I think it really improved my writing. (Goddess knows, something had to.)

But I don&#039;t ever remember hearing you or anyone else talk about &quot;frames.&quot; Can you explain them a little more...maybe the next time you have insomnia?

and I looked for you on nano--I thought you said you were going under JennyS, but the only one there wasn&#039;t you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your deconstruction of scenes. I learned more from your Turning Points workshop at RWA that I have learned anywhere else, and I think it really improved my writing. (Goddess knows, something had to.)</p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t ever remember hearing you or anyone else talk about &#8220;frames.&#8221; Can you explain them a little more&#8230;maybe the next time you have insomnia?</p>
<p>and I looked for you on nano&#8211;I thought you said you were going under JennyS, but the only one there wasn&#8217;t you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Barb in Minn.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barb in Minn.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 21:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating. Watched a supposed romantic comedy last night that clearly skipped this logical process. The result was not very effective as either a romance or comedy...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating. Watched a supposed romantic comedy last night that clearly skipped this logical process. The result was not very effective as either a romance or comedy&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: inkgrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>inkgrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh you are so too a natural storyteller! Thanks again for sharing this - hugely educational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh you are so too a natural storyteller! Thanks again for sharing this &#8211; hugely educational.</p>
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		<title>By: Savvy2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savvy2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 19:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sooooo interesting and reminds me of why I&#039;m so anxious for the Crusie &amp; Mayer NF 2007 Writer&#039;s Workshop book be published. 

Plus, I want my granddaughter, who&#039;s 14 and just finished her first ms., to have it. I can&#039;t wait.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sooooo interesting and reminds me of why I&#8217;m so anxious for the Crusie &amp; Mayer NF 2007 Writer&#8217;s Workshop book be published. </p>
<p>Plus, I want my granddaughter, who&#8217;s 14 and just finished her first ms., to have it. I can&#8217;t wait.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 13:20:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still a bit muddled (nothing to do with revisions). So Jennifer Crusie is writing a book about Rosie Malone with another writer, which will hopefully one day be published. In this book Rosie Malone writes mysteries about Liz Danger. Now Jennifer Crusie is writing four of these mysteries about Liz Danger and will publish these under the name Jennifer Crusie. In the Rosie Malone book these same books will be referred to as having been written by Rosie Malone. Have I got that straight? It seems convoluted but novel. And anything that makes you write is fine by me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still a bit muddled (nothing to do with revisions). So Jennifer Crusie is writing a book about Rosie Malone with another writer, which will hopefully one day be published. In this book Rosie Malone writes mysteries about Liz Danger. Now Jennifer Crusie is writing four of these mysteries about Liz Danger and will publish these under the name Jennifer Crusie. In the Rosie Malone book these same books will be referred to as having been written by Rosie Malone. Have I got that straight? It seems convoluted but novel. And anything that makes you write is fine by me!</p>
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		<title>By: Cherry Honey</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/11/13/revising-liz-and-vince/#comment-136732</link>
		<dc:creator>Cherry Honey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 17:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, Jenny. This example will help immensely when I start to revise my NaNo project. You are such a wonderful teacher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, Jenny. This example will help immensely when I start to revise my NaNo project. You are such a wonderful teacher.</p>
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		<title>By: Sure thing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sure thing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You explain this well. 
If the others are natural storytellers, what are you? And why should unnatural storytellers put pen to paper?
I don&#039;t have that Ray Bradbury NEED TO WRITE feeling, but I can and sometimes do write. What&#039;s the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You explain this well.<br />
If the others are natural storytellers, what are you? And why should unnatural storytellers put pen to paper?<br />
I don&#8217;t have that Ray Bradbury NEED TO WRITE feeling, but I can and sometimes do write. What&#8217;s the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/11/13/revising-liz-and-vince/#comment-136674</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beats are units of conflict that escalate the action and raise the stakes in a scene.

Molly is kind of a wild card here because usually beats have all the same protagonist and antagonist in a scene, but Molly&#039;s beats are part of a frame, so they&#039;re still beats that escalate the conflict and raise the stakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beats are units of conflict that escalate the action and raise the stakes in a scene.</p>
<p>Molly is kind of a wild card here because usually beats have all the same protagonist and antagonist in a scene, but Molly&#8217;s beats are part of a frame, so they&#8217;re still beats that escalate the conflict and raise the stakes.</p>
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		<title>By: JenK</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/11/13/revising-liz-and-vince/#comment-136671</link>
		<dc:creator>JenK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 18:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I&#039;m not a writer, I&#039;m a blogger. Which means I write but my stories are just crap that falls out of my head onto the keyboard. There is no rhythm to it. There are just bits of craziness. I&#039;ve always wondered how people make their words create the emotional impact they are looking for and how they make random scenes come together to lead towards an end result. I can&#039;t do that. I admire it but I can&#039;t do it.

But I can paint. While reading your description of beats and tweaking, I kept thinking it was the same. A tweak here to draw attention where you want it. A highlight there to bring this bit into focus. And subtle shadow over this to keep the rhythm. There is a tempo to most art if you look for it. 
Thanks for posting this, it&#039;s a real eye opener for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I&#8217;m not a writer, I&#8217;m a blogger. Which means I write but my stories are just crap that falls out of my head onto the keyboard. There is no rhythm to it. There are just bits of craziness. I&#8217;ve always wondered how people make their words create the emotional impact they are looking for and how they make random scenes come together to lead towards an end result. I can&#8217;t do that. I admire it but I can&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p>But I can paint. While reading your description of beats and tweaking, I kept thinking it was the same. A tweak here to draw attention where you want it. A highlight there to bring this bit into focus. And subtle shadow over this to keep the rhythm. There is a tempo to most art if you look for it.<br />
Thanks for posting this, it&#8217;s a real eye opener for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Screw shorter; leave it, lady.

Also, this discussion about frames and beats was really, really helpful--it&#039;s a good way to think about revision. Thank you!</description>
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<p>Also, this discussion about frames and beats was really, really helpful&#8211;it&#8217;s a good way to think about revision. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of people write great books without ever doing any of this, most of them natural storytellers.  Krissie&#039;s a natural story teller, Lani&#039;s a natural story teller, me, not so much.   So I have to do this or my stuff just sprawls all over the place.

And thank you for all the nice words.  My insomnia has not been wasted.

And I never know where the beats are until I look for them.  This one just automatically broke into beats because Molly and Vince kept changing seats.

Vince.  I&#039;m not sure.  Vince Vaughn may once have been a placeholder and that&#039;s a placeholder name, it could change.  I lost Vaughn quite a while ago because of acute smugness that I didn&#039;t want in the character, but I like the name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of people write great books without ever doing any of this, most of them natural storytellers.  Krissie&#8217;s a natural story teller, Lani&#8217;s a natural story teller, me, not so much.   So I have to do this or my stuff just sprawls all over the place.</p>
<p>And thank you for all the nice words.  My insomnia has not been wasted.</p>
<p>And I never know where the beats are until I look for them.  This one just automatically broke into beats because Molly and Vince kept changing seats.</p>
<p>Vince.  I&#8217;m not sure.  Vince Vaughn may once have been a placeholder and that&#8217;s a placeholder name, it could change.  I lost Vaughn quite a while ago because of acute smugness that I didn&#8217;t want in the character, but I like the name.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of beats in scenes, do you know what your beats are and where they&#039;re going before you write the scene? Or do you just rely on the girls in the basement to send something up and later on figure out what and where your beats are as you revise the DLD draft?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of beats in scenes, do you know what your beats are and where they&#8217;re going before you write the scene? Or do you just rely on the girls in the basement to send something up and later on figure out what and where your beats are as you revise the DLD draft?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lori J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your blog is the best writing class I&#039;ve ever experienced. And you&#039;re a great teacher. That post above is a keeper. Thanks for sharing your process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your blog is the best writing class I&#8217;ve ever experienced. And you&#8217;re a great teacher. That post above is a keeper. Thanks for sharing your process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. I had no clue how truely clueless I truely am! How the heck did I get anything published when I obviously have no idea what I&#039;m doing? A 5 am lesson from Jenny Crusie knocks me upside the head and I learn something major.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I had no clue how truely clueless I truely am! How the heck did I get anything published when I obviously have no idea what I&#8217;m doing? A 5 am lesson from Jenny Crusie knocks me upside the head and I learn something major.</p>
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