Cut This Scene

Sep262009

I’m slamming away on AKMG, and I have just finished rewriting the first scene for what must be the eightieth draft. Which means it’s time to stop doing that until I get the rest of the book finished because you really can’t write a first scene until you’ve written the whole book anyway. In the meantime, it’s over 3000 words long. I think that’s too many, but I’ve read it so many times, and Lani has read it so many times, and Krissie has read it so many time that we can’t see it any more. So I’m going to let you guys have a shot at it. I’m still in this-information-must-be-in-this-scene mode, but since you’re all new readers, you can call out the places where the scene wanders or you get bored or I’m repeating or whatever. Or you can just tell me it stinks. I’m open to anything at this point.

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Andie Miller sat on the horsehair couch in her ex-husband’s reception room, clutching a purse full of uncashed alimony checks. She was going to go in there and be serious and adult, and when she left, she was going to start a new life.

Unlike North.

She looked around the room. She’d thought he’d have changed the William Morris wallpaper or the oriental rugs or at least the awful brown couch she was sitting on—it had been viciously uncomfortable ten years before and it was just as unyielding now—but he’d kept everything the same. People should change in ten years—

“Mr. Archer will see you now,” North’s secretary said to her.

“Well, good for him.” Andie stood up, and then wondered if that sounded too hostile.

“He’s really very nice,” the secretary confided.

“No, he isn’t.” Andie walked to the door of North’s office, opened it before the secretary could get in ahead of her, and then stopped, taken aback in spite of herself.

North sat behind his massive desk, his blond hair almost white in the sunlight from the large, mullioned window behind him. His wire rim glasses had slid too far down his nose again, and his shirt sleeves were rolled up over his forearms—Still playing raquetball, Andie thought—and his broad shoulders were as straight as ever as he studied the papers in an open folder on his desk. He looked exactly the way he had ten years ago when she’d bumped her suitcase on the door frame on her way out of town—

“Miss Miller is here,” his secretary said from behind her, and he looked up at her over his glasses, and the years fell away, and she was right back where she’d begun, staring into those blue-gray eyes—”Archer blue” his mother had told her—and losing her place in her plans.

He went still for a moment, and then he stood up. “Andromeda. Thank you for coming.”

She crossed the thick rug, smiled tightly at him, decided that shaking his hand would be weird and that touching him was a bad idea in general, and sat down. “I called you, remember? Thank you for seeing me.”

“I’m glad you called.” He sat down, and Andie had a moment where she thought, He missed me, and then he looked past her and said, “Thank you, Kristin,” to his secretary, and it was pretty hard to make a moment out of such a short . . . moment, so Andie went back to concentrating on that new life she was starting.

“So the reason I called—”

“Would you like something to drink, Miss Miller?” the secretary said at the same time. “Coffee?”

“She doesn’t drink coffee,” North said, and Andie thought, I might be drinking coffee now, people change, and then he said, “Peppermint tea,” and she thought, Oh, hell, he remembered.

“No, thank you,” she said to the secretary who nodded and backed out silently.

“So.” Andie smiled tightly again. Her lips must be cracking.

“How is your mother?” North asked.

“Still crazy. How’s Lydia?”

“Fine, thank you.” He straightened the folder on his damn desk. A lot of really heavy trees had died to make that desk. His mother had probably gnawed them down and–

“I’ll tell her you asked after her,” he said.

“She’ll be thrilled,” Andie said. “So the reason I called—”

North ignored that. “I have a favor to ask. It’s a spur of the moment assignment, and it’s unconventional, so I thought of you.”

So he’d been thinking about her. Maybe. “Before or after I called to see you?”

“After.”

So he hadn’t been thinking about her. “Right. Well, the reason I called—”

“The salary is ten thousand dollars a month plus room, board, and expenses—”

“North, I called you,” Andie began and then the amount registered. “Ten thousand a month?”

“It’s a difficult situation. You’d have to travel—”

“I didn’t come for a job,” Andie said, thinking, ten thousand freaking dollars? She could use ten thousand freaking dollars. Then she remembered: No more checks from North. She opened her purse and took out the stack of alimony checks and put them on the desk. “I came to give these back to you.”

North looked at the checks for a moment, going still again.

“They’re all there, one hundred and nineteen of them.”

“Why?”

Andie swallowed. “Because they’re a link between us. We haven’t talked in ten years but every month you send me a check.”

“Which you don’t cash.”

“Because I told you I didn’t want alimony. And you send them anyway, so every month I get an envelope in the mail that says I used to be married to you. And every month I don’t cash them, and it’s like we’re nodding in the street or something. We’re still communicating.”

“Not very well.” North shook his head. “Fine. Thank you for returning the checks. Now about—”

“North,” Andie began, and he said, “Andie, I need help,” and she shut up because he never needed help.

He straightened the folder on his desk again. “Theodore Archer, a distant cousin, died last year. His wife had died eight years before, so his death left his two children orphans. He made me their guardian.”

North and children. That was a problem. “So, how’s fatherhood?”

“I wouldn’t know. They’re at their family home in the south of the state. Their aunt took care of them there after their father’s death, but she died in June. Since then I’ve hired three nannies to go down there but none have stayed.”

North had changed after all. She could see the stress in his face now, the lines that hadn’t been there ten years ago, the age in the hollows under his eyes. His brother Southie probably still looked as smooth as a boiled egg, but North was still sitting behind that damn desk, taking care of everything in the family, just like always. And now there were two more in the family.

Still, not her problem. New life. “So bring them to Columbus. Let Lydia raise a new generation of lawyers.” That would be a horrible thing to do to two helpless orphans, but North and Southie had survived it, these kids probably would, too.

“We tried that in June,” North was saying. “The little girl had some kind of psychotic break when the nanny tried to take her away from the family home. The boy was sent away to boarding school at the beginning of August, but he’s back home again. I need someone to go down there and stabilize the situation, see that the children are healthy and well-cared for, bring their education up to standard for their grade level, and if possible find a way to move them up here. Competent professionals have given up.”

Andie looked at him in exasperation. “So you’re turning to an incompetent amateur? North, I have no idea how to help these kids.”

“You’re a teacher.”

“Yes, North, I’m a teacher. The kids come into the room, I give them information, the kids leave the room. These kids wouldn’t leave the room, they’d be there twenty-four-seven. They’d need food and comfort and professional counseling—”

“The food isn’t a problem, there’s a housekeeper—”

“North,” Andie said. “No. You need—”

“I need somebody who doesn’t care about the way things are supposed to be,” he said, looking straight at her now. “I think that’s where the nannies are going wrong. These kids are . . . different. I need somebody who will do the unconventional thing without blinking. I need somebody who will make an impact and change things, even if she doesn’t stay for the long haul.”

Hey,” Andie said.

“Go down there for a month. You didn’t take a job this year, and you’re here living with your mother again, you must want out.”

Andie drew back. “How do you know all this?”

“I looked into your situation after you called.”

“You looked into . . .” Andie took a deep breath. “What the hell, North?”

He frowned at her. “There was no point in asking you for this if you had other commitments. I’ve never asked you for anything before—”

“You asked for a divorce.” As soon as Andie said it, she knew it was a mistake. She didn’t care about that anymore, she didn’t care about him, that part of her life was done.

North was looking at her over the tops of his glasses, exasperated. “I did not ask you for a divorce.”

“Yes, you did,” Andie said, in too far to stop now. “You told me that I seemed unhappy, and if that was true, you would understand if I divorced you.”

“You were playing Rita Coolidge every time I came up to the apartment. ‘I’d Rather Leave While I’m In Love.’ As hints go, it was pretty broad.”

Andie drew a deep breath. “There are people who, if their spouses are unhappy, try to do something about it.”

“I did. I gave you a divorce. Do we need to review that again, or can we move on?”

“Move on. The divorce is a dead subject.” And the ghost of it is sitting right here with us. Although maybe only with her. North didn’t looked haunted at all. Except by Rita Coolidge. “Well, you obviously didn’t look into my situation deeply enough. I’m getting married. Again.” She watched him go still again, the pause longer this time, stretching out until she said, “North?”

“Congratulations. Who’s the lucky man?”

“Will Parker,” Andie said, pretty sure North wouldn’t know him.

“The mystery writer?”

“Yes. I was freelancing for F&W and interviewed him when he was in town—”

“Here? In Columbus?”

“Yes,” Andie said, annoyed. “Here.”

“I thought you’d only come back for the summer.”

“I did,” Andie said, more annoyed. “I met him in June.”

“Oh.”

The silence stretched out again as they both contemplated the two-month courtship.

“He swept me away,” Andie said flatly.

North nodded.

“And he’s a great guy. He’s good for me.”

“Good.”

“And I’m ready to settle down now. I want . . . ” She stopped, realizing she was rambling, but he was listening to her as if it mattered, so she went on. “I’ve had a really good time traveling around for ten years but there has to be something more. I want stability and connection and a future in one place. So I’m drawing a line under my old life. You know?”

After a moment, he nodded. “Yes. Congratulations. We’ll want to send something.” He pulled his notepad toward him. “Are you registered?”

“No, I’m not registered. Technically, I’m not even engaged yet,” Andie said, her exasperation getting the better of her. “He asked me. I haven’t told him yes yet.” She leaned forward and pushed the stack of checks closer to him. “I needed to give you these back first, tell you not to send any more. Then I’ll be free to start again. The new me in a serious adult life.”

North looked at the checks. She couldn’t tell if he was upset or not. It wasn’t as if he still cared. She wasn’t sure he’d cared when she’d left. “It’s nothing personal, North.”

“Of course,” he said. “But since you haven’t told him yet, you could start your serious adult life in October.”

Andie sat back, dumbfounded. “Did you hear what I just said?”

“You’re getting ready to start a new life, I understand. But if you haven’t made plans yet, there’s no reason you couldn’t wait four more weeks. You could use the money for the wedding.”

“I don’t want a wedding. I want to get married. We can do that at the courthouse.” That’s what you and I did.

“Well, then, a honeymoon. Put it toward a down payment on a house. Buy a new car. You could use the money for a lot—”

“Which is another thing,” Andie said, getting really annoyed now. “Why are you offering me ten thousand dollars for a month of babysitting? You didn’t pay the nannies that. It’s ridiculous. For ten thousand dollars, you should not only get child care, you should get your house cleaned, your laundry done, your tires rotated, and if I were you, I’d insist on nightly blow jobs. What aren’t you telling me?”

He sat very still, which meant he was gathering his patience. Then he drew a breath and said, calmly, “Andromeda, I’m asking for a favor, a big one, and I don’t think the money is out of line. We didn’t leave our marriage enemies, so I don’t see why you’re hostile now.”

“I’m not hostile,” Andie said, and then added fairly, “Well, I’m a little hostile. Everything’s exactly the same as it was when I left. Which was exactly the same as it was when I first came here. I should have carved my initials in that desk or reupholstered that awful settee in Marimekko, done something to leave an impression.”

“Marimekko? What are you talking about?”

“You know the strongest memory I have of you? Sitting right there, behind that desk. You’d think I remember you naked or something, but no, it’s you, staring at me blankly from behind all that walnut. You have no idea how many times I wanted to take an ax to that damn desk.”

North looked down at his desk, frowning.

“I think you hide behind it,” Andie said, sitting back. “I think you use it to keep from getting emotionally involved.”

“Mostly I use it to write on,” North said.

“You know what I mean. It gives you distance.”

“It gives me storage,” North said. “Have you lost your mind?”

Andie sighed. “Yes. Ignore that. It was harder than I thought coming back here. I should go now.” She stood up.

“They say the house is haunted,” North said.

“Excuse me?”

“The nannies. All three of them said there were ghosts. The last one was hysterical. It’s ridiculous, but I can’t send another nanny down there if somebody’s playing tricks. I need somebody who can handle the unexpected. Somebody like you. And you’re the only person like you that I know.” He met her eyes again, and suddenly he was the old North again, warm and real. “They’re little kids, Andie. I can’t get them out of there, and I can’t leave them there, and I can’t leave the practice long enough to find out what’s going on, and even if I could, I don’t know anything about kids. I need you. Not somebody, you.”

Oh, just hell, Andie thought and sat down again.

He leaned forward again. “Carter is twelve and Alice is eight. Right now, they’re alone with a housekeeper, Mrs. Crumb. Give them a month, that’s all I ask. You can draw your line under us, I won’t call you and you won’t call me, you can send reports to Kristin, hell, take your fiance down there with you. Just get the kids and the situation stabilized. If you can bring them up there, that would be best, but if you can’t get them out of the house, I can get another nanny down there once you’ve fixed whatever’s going on.”

“I’m the least maternal person I know,” Andie said.

“I don’t think they need maternal, I think they need you. The little girl hallucinates, so she can’t be sent to public school. The last nanny insisted the boy be sent away to military school, but he’s just been sent home after two weeks. The headmaster said he’d been setting fires and there was something about a cat–”

“A cat.” Andie tried to keep her mind on the problem since the fact that North was finally looking human again meant nothing. “So, he’s growing up to be a serial killer. He didn’t off his aunt, did he?”

“There was an accident. She fell from a tower on the house.”

“The house has towers?”

“It’s an old country house.” North took his glasses off and rubbed his hand across his eyes. “Theodore’s great-grandfather had it brought over from England in the 1800s. And yes, it has a tower, since May Younger fell from one and died. It also has two children who have lost everyone they’ve ever known and are probably acting out because of that. Will you please go down there and find out what they need and give it to them?”

Andie could really see the age on him now. He was still good looking, but forty years of being North Archer had taken its toll. Unfortunately, the lines and shadows made him look even better. And with his glasses off, he looked very human—

“Please,” North said, those blue eyes fixed on her.

“Yes,” Andie said without thinking.

North drew a deep breath. “Thank you.” Then he put his glasses back on, professional again. “Kristin has all the details for you. There’s a household account you can draw on for any expenses, and there’s a credit card for you, too. The housekeeper, Mrs. Crumb, will clean and cook for you, and there’s a man who takes care of the grounds who will drive you anywhere you wish; the house is in the middle of nowhere and the roads are confusing. The drive had partially collapsed when I was there two years ago, but that should have been fixed by now. There’s more, but Kristin has a copy of this folder with everything you need in it.” He looked down at the papers on his desk. “I don’t understand most of the reports from the nannies, but I’m sure you will.”

“Okay.” Andie sat there for a moment, still a little stunned that she’d said yes. She’d felt the same way after he’d proposed.

“I’d appreciate it if you could go down as soon as possible,” he was saying. “You’ll want to get the month over with so you can get married.” It sounded almost like a question.

“Yes.” She stood up again. “I’ll drive down tomorrow. One good thing about being a wanderer, you’re always packed.”

“But now you’re settling down,” North said, meeting her eyes.

“Yes, I am.” Andie nodded at him. “I’ll keep in touch with Kristin. You have a good autumn terrorizing the opposing counsel.”

She headed for the door, refusing to look back. This was all good. She could spare a month to earn ten thousand dollars, Will was in New York for most of the month anyway, so he’d probably be happy about the extra money, and then–

“Andie,” North said, and she turned back in the doorway.

“Thank you,” he said, standing now behind his desk, tall and lean and looking at her the way he’d used to.

She drew a deep breath. “You’re welcome.”

Then she turned and walked out before he could say or do anything else that reminded her of a lifetime ago.

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139 Comments to 'Cut This Scene'

On September 26, 2009 at 1:53 am Hannah Dymond said...

Hi, the chapter hooked me and I wanted to read until the end. It thought it gave the right amount of background, however it seemed unbalanced in terms of the two characters. By the end of it I liked him but not her. She came across as superficial while he seemed complex and interesting. I’m not sure this was the kind of comment you were after as I’m new to your site. Liked the couple of your books that I’ve read. Best wishes.

On September 26, 2009 at 2:28 am Strop said...

Lovely, thank you. More please.

On September 26, 2009 at 2:51 am Sara Darling said...

[Suppressing feeling of sacrilege at giving feedback to one of one's favorite authors]

[Trying again]

Okay, my suggestion would be to reduce the amount of back story between North and Andromeda a fair bit. Down to just the bare minimum to suggest that there’s a past relationship not fully resolved, and continuing chemistry. The above opening scene is great, but I’m not aching with curiosity about what brought them to where they are know, because I feel like I already kinda know.

The bit with the kids and the house… I really can’t think of a good way to put this so I’ll just say it. It’s like Scooby Doo, but in a really awesome way. Really, really. I am extremely curious to see what you’d do with that.

On September 26, 2009 at 3:05 am Ingrid said...

I like it. It does not seem long at all. I am expecting Andie and North to get back together. I do hope that is your intention this time.
My mind was quarrelling a bit with the description of the waiting room. I like Morris wall paper, and oriental carpets are expensive and last forever. You don’t just get rid of them. And the mention of an uncomfortable couch makes my mind fly back to Fast Women.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:20 pm Kelly said...

Ditto

On October 5, 2009 at 4:00 pm Myra said...

same here…I’m half expecting diamond under it ;)

On September 26, 2009 at 4:42 am Minze said...

What Sara Darling said. But this might just be my impatience as a reader, mind you. I kept scanning the paragraphs of backstory to get to the bit where she either leaves the room or is convinced to take the job. Anyway, I’m looking forward to reading this book.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:36 pm London Mabel said...

Me too. I agree with someone further down who suggested getting on with the book and returning to chap 1 later.

This line: “His mother had probably gnawed them down and–” is brilliant, but I think it would be funnier if it was cut off. Just put a period after “down.” In my opinion. :-)

On September 26, 2009 at 4:59 am Nic said...

*shakes head at own arrogance* The first part in the waiting room is too long. (Um, I have been told I edit with a chain saw.) Also, you aren’t trusting your reader, you are hitting us over the head with a hammer. HEY! THEY USED TO BE MARRIED! IT ENDED! ANDIE IS MOVING ON BUT STILL HAS SOME RESENTMENT! REALLY!

*again with the head shaking at own arrogance*

This is what I’d do (ish):

Andie Miller [cut] clutchinged a her purse full of uncashed alimony checks. She was going to go in there and be serious and adult, and when she left, she was going to start a new life.

Unlike North.

[cut unless the office and or secretary is important later]

North sat behind his massive desk, his blond hair almost white in the sunlight from the large, mullioned window behind him. His wire rim glasses had slid too far down his nose again, and his shirt sleeves were rolled up over his forearms—Still playing raquetball, Andie thought—and his broad shoulders were as straight as ever as he studied the papers in an open folder on his desk. He looked exactly the way he had ten years ago when she’d bumped her suitcase on the door frame on her way out of town—

[cut] He looked up at her over his glasses, and the years fell away, and she was right back where she’d begun, staring into those blue-gray eyes—”Archer blue” his mother had told her—and losing her place in her plans.

[moved from above]People should change in ten years.

He went still for a moment, and then he stood up. “Andromeda. Thank you for coming.”…

[You may want to look at the following section unless you intend for North to be a heartless bastard, which doesn't seem to be the case.]

“I wouldn’t know. They’re at their family home in the south of the state. Their aunt took care of them there after their father’s death, but she died in June. Since then I’ve hired three nannies to go down there but none have stayed.”

North had changed after all. She could see the stress in his face now, the lines that hadn’t been there ten years ago, the age in the hollows under his eyes. His brother Southie probably still looked as smooth as a boiled egg, but North was still sitting behind that damn desk, taking care of everything in the family, just like always. And now there were two more in the family.

[These two paragraphs are a problem. You are telling us that he is devoting his life to taking care of stuff for his family at the same time you are showing us that he didn't even bother to go check in on these kids. It makes him seem really really cold unless he's a time traveler from 19th C. England.]

It may just be me, but I’m finding North to be fairly unsympathetic. I can kind of see underneath the words what you mean him to be, but I’m not feeling it and I’m having a hard time with Andie as well. North is rolling over her and she’s just letting him. The money doesn’t seem to have enough pull on her to get her down there, she doesn’t seem to be pulled toward the kids. You’ve mentioned that mom is crazy, but not with enough detail if Andie is supposed to be “running away”. It looks like a case of “The author needs her to go, so she’s going. Why should there be any motivational reason?” There isn’t any real reason Andie is choosing to go along with his plan except magic hypnotism eyes from a guy you are mostly only telling us is a person under the suit.

My favorite part:

““You know the strongest memory I have of you? Sitting right there, behind that desk. You’d think I remember you naked or something, but no, it’s you, staring at me blankly from behind all that walnut. You have no idea how many times I wanted to take an ax to that damn desk.”

I suspect that that there is the summary of the relationship. Fabulous writing.

So, the non-professional opinion of a person who isn’t published. That and 5 bucks will get you a latte.

On September 26, 2009 at 8:29 am Kyra said...

I didn’t think it was too long, but if Crusie started ranking out the 922 pg behemoths I like from authors like George R.R. Martin and Diana Gabaldon I would buy the book with a song in my heart, thinking “Yay! 922 pages of Crusie! I love her writing!”. What I get form the story is that 1) Andie and North are very different, have unresolved feelings and miscommunication because of pride and/or prior childhood emotional damage. 2) North has NO ability to be flexible, which is why he hasn’t been down to the kids (leave his practice? That is just not done!). But it means he’s got room to change. 3) Andie runs away from problems and is terrified of accepting help in case there are strings attached, which leaves her room to change. 4) Aunt Young got pushed off a tower by a ghost. The kids problems are also caused by ghosts. So the ghosts are clearly not the Casper variety. If any of those 4 assumptions are incorrect then the first scene is misleading. Fun to read, but misleading. Other than that feedback, I got nuthin’.

On September 26, 2009 at 9:26 am Savvy2 said...

I’m a Crusie fan, which is why I visit your site. And sadly I think you’re right: cut/cut/cut. And……

Andie needs a better reason for seeing North. Calling and setting up a meeting to return alimony checks makes her a bit of a weak heroine. In addition, it’s a complete tell to North that she’s not over him. Does Andie want to give that away?

Start the scene with: “Mr. Archer will see you now…” This sets the Crusie tone right off. And we don’t need any office description (except later, with the desk, which has a purpose.)

Get rid of the secretary after Andie’s “No, he isn’t…” paragraph. The coffee/tea comments don’t push the story, really. If my ex couldn’t remember I prefer tea over coffee, what did we ever have going for us?

Instead of the he called/she called thing, replace with one of them having a compelling motive for the two of them coming together in this room. Maybe North could trick her there somehow then hit Andie with the kid problem? His motive for the meeting is the strong one.

I can’t see that we need any info on the moms upfront.

North isn’t heroic if he hasn’t seen the kids, had some experience with the kids himself (no matter how busy he is). Perhaps he just failed with them and maybe that’s his problem? He’s unaccustomed to failing at anything? Especially family things when he’s the caretaker of the family?

And if my ex told me that the kids’ Aunt fell to her death from a tower in a house claimed to be haunted by ghosts — after all, THREE nanies claim to have SEEN them — he’d better tell me he’s hired a full-time bodyguard to guarantee nothing freaky’s really going on. SOMETHING. If he wants me in that house, that is. Even if it’s to convince me there was some sort of mass hysteria going on with the residents. I mean, fiction or not, a woman DIED. Right?

I still love your work. And I will buy the book whatever you do to it.

On September 26, 2009 at 9:40 am Jennifer said...

OK, so I’ve never written anything or even proofread creative writing stuff before, but if hearing from one of the uninformed masses is helpful, here you go.

First of all, I’m already in love with North. Of course, as the caretaker of a large extended family, that makes sense for me. I love the chemistry between Andie and North, you can just feel it hum, and the unconditional love there makes me happy.

I did find myself squirming a bit, though, by the end of the scene, and I think I’ve figured out why. It’s because I don’t want to know yet that the ghosts are real. I don’t want to know yet how dire the situation is. I *want* to think it’s Scooby Doo, and be surprised at least a little bit later on. OK, maybe I’m wrong and the girl’s “hallucinations” aren’t just her seeing real ghosts, and the aunt wasn’t really murdered by the ghosts in one way or another, and the boy isn’t really being misjudged (he was saving the cat or something, right?). Andie has a “driver” so she won’t have her own transportation, so she’ll be trapped. Plus, the house was brought over from England in the 1800′s? Well, obviously the ghosts are real, and they’re murderous since they took out the aunt. She’d have to be as stupid as all those women in the horror movies to go down there alone! Of course, she won’t be alone there for long, North and eventually the fiancee will have to join her, but she’s not supposed to know that right now. I don’t want her to be stupid enough to go when she’s informed enough to know that she shouldn’t.

Hmmm, I don’t know if there’s anything else, but real life intrudes and my daughter is going nuts here. Thank you so much for all your books, they make my life a much more fun place to live. :-)

On September 26, 2009 at 9:43 am Laura Vivanco said...

I’ll second what Ingrid said: “I like it. It does not seem long at all. I am expecting Andie and North to get back together. I do hope that is your intention this time.
My mind was quarrelling a bit with the description of the waiting room. I like Morris wall paper, and oriental carpets are expensive and last forever. You don’t just get rid of them.

If this were a book, I’d be skipping to the last page to see if Andie and North had got back together. I don’t understand why someone should change their decor if they were happy with it to start with and it hasn’t worn out.

On September 26, 2009 at 9:55 am Amy said...

I didn’t think it was too long. My only question would be why he thought she would super sleuth it to discover the trickster if no one else had been able to. I’m guessing she wasn’t really intuitive in their marriage, so I would be a bit surprised at his choice, but I’m sure that will all be explained. I liked her and had split feelings on him. I will also have to say that I am expecting them to get back together based on this scene. And that he can be a bit of a heartless bastard and feels free to use people while she can be a touch of a pushover.

On September 29, 2009 at 7:11 pm Kathleen said...

This says it for me too. I wondered why he asked her when she doesn’t seem particularly inclined to be intuitive.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:17 am Lori J. said...

As a reader I didn’t care about all the info on Will Parker or Andie’s upcoming wedding to him. It only serves to annoy North and isn’t part of the story (I’m guessing). I already know the wedding ain’t gonna happen (again guessing). Will may or may not be an important character but already I don’t care about him. He seems to be another Taylor Beaufort or Connor Nash character– useful as a foil, but dead by the end of the book.

There’s a lot of telling from North. As though he’s telling the reader all of this information the reader needs to know. North is telling Andie their divorce backstory so the reader will know. The backstory of the divorce isn’t part of the upcoming story. If it’s really needed, that info can be woven into later scenes. Use some white space.

I keep thinking, if it were me, I would have just destroyed the monthly alimony checks, instead of collecting them in order to have to eventually meet with North to give them back. I don’t know, it seems like a weak goal for the protagonist and clutters the scene.

Did you do a conflict box for this scene? I can see North’s goal clearly, but I really can’t see Andie’s goal and how it conflict’s with his. North wants Andie to go to the house and take care of the kids. Andie wants to return alimony checks and live a vague life, maybe get married, maybe not. Those two conflicts don’t…conflict.

To me, this scene isn’t part of the story. It’s ALL backstory. It’s wonderful to read, but it’s 100% backstory. The story doesn’t start until Andie is standing on the front steps of that haunted house, ready to step through that door.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:20 am TanyaG said...

In the “for what it’s worth” column, the following line made my tongue trip:

“I wouldn’t know. They’re at their family home in the south of the state.

Seems more natural to just say…”down south”…or “down by Cinnci”…but “in the south of the state” sounds like he’s got his GPS beside him…

On September 27, 2009 at 3:49 am CatScott said...

Or downstate. If there is an upstate then there is a downstate and it sounds more natural than “in the south of the state”.

On September 29, 2009 at 12:59 pm Meredith B. said...

I think the problem is that no matter what you say, people who haven’t lived in Southern Ohio will say “huh?” or whatever their local equivalent is. They aren’t going to know where Jackson, Athens, Portsmouth or Hillsboro are– heck, most people from Cleveland probably don’t know where all of them are. And it wouldn’t be any better to refer to the county the house is in. So… well, the largest geographic features are the Ohio river and some foothills of Appalachia. But if those geographic features don’t really play into the story, then I don’t know but what “in the south of the state” is as good as the other options.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:34 am Lori J. said...

I agree with Savvy2 comments about North not being heroic. I think a lot of this scary info needs to be kept secret from Andie (and the reader) before she goes to the haunted house. After all that info about the nannies, the dead of the aunt, reports of seeing ghosts, the little girl hallucinates, the boy sets fires and does something nasty to cats…who in their right mind would dare enter that house to stay for a month after knowing all this info?

It’s all backstory.

On September 26, 2009 at 11:03 am Cori said...

It was good, but not great, and there’s something about it that just doesn’t sound right (which you already know).

My two cents, for what they’re worth:

The opening seems flat with no punch to it, no reason why I should care that she’s returning checks that she could have burnt or cashed. As Savvy2 noted, start with “Mr. Archer will see you now,” and I’d move the description of Andie clutching her bag full of uncashed checks after that.

The secretary interrupting North also interrupted the flow of the story and it’s just not necessary, so cut her parts once she gets Andie into the office. What really bugged me about her is that there’s no reason for her to tell Andie (and thus me) that “he’s really very nice” — if he is, show me, if he’s not, show me that. Show, don’t tell.

I agree with Sara Darling – cut a bunch of back-story, you keep telling me but not showing me why I should care about these two and their mostly-dead-maybe-revivable relationship.

Andie doesn’t really seem to know what she wants other than to be free of North. I can’t tell if she’s actually invested in Will, but her reactions regarding him definitely reminded me of Penny in Manhunting. I also can’t decide why she’s accepted the job. It makes sense, but it doesn’t. It feels like you’d like her to be strong, mercenary and up for a challenge, but instead she just sits there like a deer in headlights and lets him tell her what to do. I don’t think Andie’s a doormat, so why not let her do North a favor, take the money and go?

Despite the problems, by the end I was invested in North and Andie, curious about what comes next and wondering about the kids. Looking forward to reading it when it’s published!

On September 26, 2009 at 11:35 am robena grant said...

So, take out the whole returned checks from the alimony and focus on her coming to tell him she’s getting married and the checks can stop now, but he bulldozers her with his own request.

“Mr. Archer will see you now,” North’s secretary said to her.
“Well, good for him.” Andie stood up, and then wondered if that sounded too hostile.
“He’s really very nice,” the secretary confided.
“No, he isn’t.” Andie walked to the door of North’s office. She’d left a message, intending to tell him by phone, but he’d left her a message insisting on a face to face meeting. Something about needing to see her. She opened the door before the secretary could get in ahead of her, and then stopped, taken aback in spite of herself.
North sat behind his massive desk, his blond hair almost white in the sunlight from the large, mullioned window behind him. His wire rim glasses had slid too far down his nose again, and his shirt sleeves were rolled up over his forearms—Still playing raquetball, Andie thought—and his broad shoulders were as straight as ever as he studied the papers in an open folder on his desk. He looked exactly the way he had ten years ago when she’d bumped her suitcase on the door frame on her way out of town—
“Miss Miller is here,” his secretary said from behind her, and he looked up at her over his glasses, and the years fell away, and she was right back where she’d begun, staring into those blue-gray eyes—”Archer blue” his mother had told her—and losing her place in her plans.
He went still for a moment, and then he stood up. “Andromeda. Thank you for coming.”
She crossed the thick rug, smiled tightly at him, decided that shaking his hand would be weird and that touching him was a bad idea in general, and sat down. She had things to tell him and wasn’t certain how to broach the subject but maybe no stalling, just go right into it. “I called to tell you–”
“Yes, and I’m glad you did.” He sat down, and Andie had a moment where she thought, He missed me, and then he looked past her and said, “Thank you, Kristin,” to his secretary, and it was pretty hard to make a moment out of such a short . . . moment, so Andie went back to concentrating on that new life she was starting.
“Would you like something to drink, Miss Miller?” the secretary said at the same time. “Coffee?”
“She doesn’t drink coffee,” North said, and Andie thought, I might be drinking coffee now, people change, and then he said, “Peppermint tea,” and she thought, Oh, hell, he remembered.
“No, thank you,” she said to the secretary who nodded and backed out silently.
“So.” Andie smiled tightly again. Her lips must be cracking. “The reason I called—”
North ignored that. “I have a favor to ask. It’s a spur of the moment assignment, and it’s unconventional, so I thought of you.”
So he’d been thinking about her. Maybe. His blue eyes watched for a moment, eyelashes flickered and he dropped his gaze.
“The salary is ten thousand dollars a month plus room, board, and expenses—”
“What are you talking about?” Andie began and then the amount registered. “Ten thousand a month?”
“It’s a difficult situation. You’d have to travel—”
“I didn’t come here for a job,” Andie said, thinking, ten thousand freaking dollars? She could use ten thousand freaking dollars.
“North,” Andie began, and he said, “Andie, I need help,” and she shut up because he never needed help.
He straightened the folder on his desk again. “Theodore Archer, a distant cousin, died last year. His wife had died eight years before, so his death left his two children orphans. He made me their guardian.”
North and children. That was a problem. “So, how’s fatherhood?”
“I wouldn’t know. They’re at their family home in the south of the state. Their aunt took care of them there after their father’s death, but she died in June. Since then I’ve hired three nannies to go down there but none have stayed.”
North had changed after all. She could see the stress in his face now, the lines that hadn’t been there ten years ago, the age in the hollows under his eyes. His brother Southie probably still looked as smooth as a boiled egg, but North was still sitting behind that damn desk, taking care of everything in the family, just like always. And now there were two more in the family.
Still, not her problem. New life. “So bring them to Columbus. Let Lydia raise a new generation of lawyers.” That would be a horrible thing to do to two helpless orphans, but North and Southie had survived their mother’s influence, these kids probably would, too.
“We tried that in June,” North was saying. “The little girl had some kind of psychotic break when the nanny tried to take her away from the family home. The boy was sent away to boarding school at the beginning of August, but he’s back home again. I need someone to go down there and stabilize the situation, see that the children are healthy and well-cared for, bring their education up to standard for their grade level, and if possible find a way to move them up here. Competent professionals have given up.”
Andie looked at him in exasperation. “So you’re turning to an incompetent amateur? North, I have no idea how to help these kids.”
“You’re a teacher.”
“Yes, North, I’m a teacher. The kids come into the room, I give them information, the kids leave the room. These kids wouldn’t leave the room, they’d be there twenty-four-seven. They’d need food and comfort and professional counseling—”
“The food isn’t a problem, there’s a housekeeper—”
“North,” Andie said. “No. You need—”
“I need somebody who doesn’t care about the way things are supposed to be,” he said, looking straight at her now. “I think that’s where the nannies are going wrong. These kids are . . . different. I need somebody who will do the unconventional thing without blinking. I need somebody who will make an impact and change things, even if she doesn’t stay for the long haul.”
“Hey,” Andie said.
“Go down there for a month. You didn’t take a job this year, and you’re here living with your mother again, you must want out.”
Andie drew back. “How do you know all this?”
“I looked into your situation–”
“You looked into . . .” Andie took a deep breath. “What the hell, North?”
He frowned at her. “There was no point in asking you for this if you had other commitments. I’ve never asked you for anything before—”
“You asked for a divorce.” As soon as Andie said it, she knew it was a mistake. She didn’t care about that anymore, she didn’t care about him, that part of her life was done.
North was looking at her over the tops of his glasses, exasperated. “I did not ask you for a divorce.”
“Yes, you did,” Andie said, in too far to stop now. “You told me that I seemed unhappy, and if that was true, you would understand if I divorced you.”
“You were playing Rita Coolidge every time I came up to the apartment. ‘I’d Rather Leave While I’m In Love.’ As hints go, it was pretty broad.”
Andie drew a deep breath. “There are people who, if their spouses are unhappy, try to do something about it.”
“I did. I gave you a divorce. Do we need to review that again, or can we move on?”
“Move on. The divorce is a dead subject.” And the ghost of it is sitting right here with us. Although maybe only with her. North didn’t looked haunted at all. Except by Rita Coolidge. “Well, you obviously didn’t look into my situation deeply enough. I’m getting married. Again.” She watched him go still again, the pause longer this time, stretching out until she said, “North?”
“Congratulations. Who’s the lucky man?”
“Will Parker,” Andie said, pretty sure North wouldn’t know him.
“The mystery writer?”
“Yes. I was freelancing for F&W and interviewed him when he was in town—”
“Here? In Columbus?”
“Yes,” Andie said, annoyed. “Here.”
“I thought you’d only come back for the summer.”
“I did,” Andie said, more annoyed. “I met him in June.”
“Oh.”
The silence stretched out again as they both contemplated the two-month courtship.
“He swept me away,” Andie said flatly.
North nodded.
“And he’s a great guy. He’s good for me.”
“Good.”
“And I’m ready to settle down now. I want . . . ” She stopped, realizing she was rambling, but he was listening to her as if it mattered, so she went on. “I’ve had a really good time traveling around for ten years but there has to be something more. I want stability and connection and a future in one place. So I’m drawing a line under my old life. You know?”
After a moment, he nodded. “Yes. Congratulations. We’ll want to send something.” He pulled his notepad toward him. “Are you registered?”
“No, I’m not registered. Technically, I’m not even engaged yet,” Andie said, her exasperation getting the better of her. “He asked me. I haven’t told him yes yet. But I figure it’s time to start a new adult life. Your off the hook with the alimony.”
“Of course,” he said. “But since you haven’t told him yet, you could start your serious adult life in October.”
Andie sat back, dumbfounded. “Did you hear what I just said?”
“You’re getting ready to start a new life, I understand. But if you haven’t made plans yet, there’s no reason you couldn’t wait four more weeks. You could use the money for the wedding.”
“I don’t want a wedding. I want to get married. We can do that at the courthouse.” That’s what you and I did.
“Well, then, a honeymoon. Put it toward a down payment on a house. Buy a new car. You could use the money for a lot—”
“Which is another thing,” Andie said, getting really annoyed now. “Why are you offering me ten thousand dollars for a month of babysitting? You didn’t pay the nannies that. It’s ridiculous. For ten thousand dollars, you should not only get child care, you should get your house cleaned, your laundry done, your tires rotated, and if I were you, I’d insist on nightly blow jobs. What aren’t you telling me?”
He sat very still, which meant he was gathering his patience. Then he drew a breath and said, calmly, “Andromeda, I’m asking for a favor, a big one, and I don’t think the money is out of line. We didn’t leave our marriage enemies, so I don’t see why you’re hostile now.”
“I’m not hostile,” Andie said, and then added fairly, “Well, I’m a little hostile. Everything’s exactly the same as it was when I left. Which was exactly the same as it was when I first came here. I should have carved my initials in that desk or reupholstered that awful settee in Marimekko, done something to leave an impression.”
“Marimekko? What are you talking about?”
“You know the strongest memory I have of you? Sitting right there, behind that desk. You’d think I remember you naked or something, but no, it’s you, staring at me blankly from behind all that walnut. You have no idea how many times I wanted to take an ax to that damn desk.”
North looked down at his desk, frowning.
“I think you hide behind it,” Andie said, sitting back. “I think you use it to keep from getting emotionally involved.”
“Mostly I use it to write on,” North said.
“You know what I mean. It gives you distance.”
“It gives me storage,” North said. “Have you lost your mind?”
Andie sighed. “Yes. Ignore that. It was harder than I thought coming back here. I should go now.” She stood up.
“They say the house is haunted,” North said.
“Excuse me?”
“The nannies. All three of them said there were ghosts. The last one was hysterical. It’s ridiculous, but I can’t send another nanny down there if somebody’s playing tricks. I need somebody who can handle the unexpected. Somebody like you. And you’re the only person like you that I know.” He met her eyes again, and suddenly he was the old North again, warm and real. “They’re little kids, Andie. I can’t get them out of there, and I can’t leave them there, and I can’t leave the practice long enough to find out what’s going on, and even if I could, I don’t know anything about kids. I need you. Not somebody, you.”
Oh, just hell, Andie thought and sat down again.
He leaned forward again. “Carter is twelve and Alice is eight. Right now, they’re alone with a housekeeper, Mrs. Crumb. Give them a month, that’s all I ask. You can draw your line under us, I won’t call you and you won’t call me, you can send reports to Kristin, hell, take your fiance down there with you. Just get the kids and the situation stabilized. If you can bring them up there, that would be best, but if you can’t get them out of the house, I can get another nanny down there once you’ve fixed whatever’s going on.”
“I’m the least maternal person I know,” Andie said.
“I don’t think they need maternal, I think they need you. The little girl hallucinates, so she can’t be sent to public school. The last nanny insisted the boy be sent away to military school, but he’s just been sent home after two weeks. The headmaster said he’d been setting fires and there was something about a cat–”
“A cat.” Andie tried to keep her mind on the problem since the fact that North was finally looking human again meant nothing. “So, he’s growing up to be a serial killer. He didn’t off his aunt, did he?”
“There was an accident. She fell from a tower on the house.”
“The house has towers?”
“It’s an old country house.” North took his glasses off and rubbed his hand across his eyes. “Theodore’s great-grandfather had it brought over from England in the 1800s. And yes, it has a tower, since May Younger fell from one and died. It also has two children who have lost everyone they’ve ever known and are probably acting out because of that. Will you please go down there and find out what they need and give it to them?”
Andie could really see the age on him now. He was still good looking, but forty years of being North Archer had taken its toll. Unfortunately, the lines and shadows made him look even better. And with his glasses off, he looked very human—
“Please,” North said, those blue eyes fixed on her.
“Yes,” Andie said without thinking.
North drew a deep breath. “Thank you.” Then he put his glasses back on, professional again. “Kristin has all the details for you. There’s a household account you can draw on for any expenses, and there’s a credit card for you, too. The housekeeper, Mrs. Crumb, will clean and cook for you, and there’s a man who takes care of the grounds who will drive you anywhere you wish; the house is in the middle of nowhere and the roads are confusing. The drive had partially collapsed when I was there two years ago, but that should have been fixed by now. There’s more, but Kristin has a copy of this folder with everything you need in it.” He looked down at the papers on his desk. “I don’t understand most of the reports from the nannies, but I’m sure you will.”
“Okay.” Andie sat there for a moment, still a little stunned that she’d said yes. She’d felt the same way after he’d proposed.
“I’d appreciate it if you could go down as soon as possible,” he was saying. “You’ll want to get the month over with so you can get married.” It sounded almost like a question.
“Yes.” She stood up again. “I’ll drive down tomorrow. One good thing about being a wanderer, you’re always packed.”
“But now you’re settling down,” North said, meeting her eyes.
“Yes, I am.” Andie nodded at him. “I’ll keep in touch with Kristin. You have a good autumn terrorizing the opposing counsel.”
She headed for the door, refusing to look back. This was all good. She could spare a month to earn ten thousand dollars, Will was in New York for most of the month anyway, so he’d probably be happy about the extra money, and then–
“Andie,” North said, and she turned back in the doorway.
“Thank you,” he said, standing now behind his desk, tall and lean and looking at her the way he’d used to.
She drew a deep breath. “You’re welcome.”
Then she turned and walked out before he could say or do anything else that reminded her of a lifetime ago.

On September 26, 2009 at 12:17 pm doris in munich said...

Sorry for my ramblings below:

What I wondered about the most is why North would ask Andie to go down and check the situation and why would she be the one able to do so and not the someone else. Okay, she’s a teacher, but that can’t be the reason or others would do fine, too. So I presume she’s got other talents, but apart from following your blog and probaby reading the books blurb I wouldn’t be sure about it. I find both Andie and North likeable and I can somehow guess why she left, but obviously she still got strong feelings for him, which makes me wonder why on earth didn’t she fight for her marriage those 10 years ago. Or maybe she did, but it doesn’t seem so from what we learn of the back story here. And if she came to the conclusion that she couldn’t save the marriage, why didn’t she cut the connection sooner?
Also I get it that the furniture says something more about him: it probably needs a slight earthquake to bring him out from behind this desk which for me resembles a bit the stone in which Excalibur was stuck into, the desk as the symbol of everything that keeps him from breaking free and being who he truly is. I guess he eventually will have to get out of his office and go down to the house and the kids and things will change from then.
Andie seem to have wandered around aimlessly and herself without cutting the connection – without wanting to cut the link? But why now? Because there’s potentially a new man around and she’s wanting to see if North is letting her go and get/make her new life? This would seem more logical if it wouldn’t have taken her 10 years…
To cut my ramblings short: North and Andie remind me of Gabe and Nell in Fast Women, but I instantly took to the woman who involuntarily ruined her future boss’s office like a force of nature and likewise loved the man who took her on as his secretary although he needed a shot of whisky after the job-interview because of her I. In contrast both protagonists (at least I guess they are the ones who come together in the end?) seem a bit dim and tired, which is okay concerning the hero (?), but I’d love to see the heroine with more spark/curiosity/willingness to go on this adventure because of an interest towards the haunted house or an eagerness to rescue the children or an ambition to prove to be the only one to make sense of the situation. And I agree with Cori that I’d love Andie to be stronger at least when it comes to her “special talents” whatever they might be (hints please?) and go down there as a favor, be on one level with him at least on this ground.
Sorry for my far-too-long ramblings. I hope they help anyway.

On September 26, 2009 at 1:13 pm Beth Weisman said...

I love your novels, I love you characters; I hope to write like you when I grow up.

I like North and Andie but I don’t like the premise of her visiting him to tie up loose ends. Ten years is more than enough time to figure out how you feel, really feel, about someone (and my initial reaction is, “What a waste.”). Who cares if she didn’t cash alimony checks — if it had ever bothered him he could have gone looking for her or he could have opened a trust for her (sending statements of his monthly/yearly deposits) (which could also really piss her off since she’s searching for independence).
I would shorten the time they’ve been apart and I would instigate this initial meeting from North — desperately turning to Andie for help. She comes running because he’s never needed help before.

On September 27, 2009 at 7:31 pm Michele said...

I like the idea of a trust….it would really give her a reason to visit him. She could bring him the money that he deposited in the account for her, including interest. With the bombshell of North’s idea of going down to take care of the kids, she could end up leaving without him actually agreeing to take back the money.

If you are looking to cut words, might I suggest that Andie notices sooner that something is bothering North, and have it come out that he has these kids that desperately need someone’s help? I was somewhat unclear as to North’s true motivation for asking Andie. She’s a teacher, but she’s also been traveling for the last 10 years; what is her real job? Just because she’s a teacher wouldn’t mean that she’d be able to deal with severely emotionally disturbed children…what makes her so uniquely qualified for this?

I like the premise, and I am definitely interested in whether Andie and North get together. If North isn’t meant to be the hero, then he needs to be a bit LESS developed and Andie needs to be MORE developed within this first scene.

On September 28, 2009 at 7:56 am Cathy said...

I agree – ten years of collecting checks, and now wanting to move on to her “adult life” makes her seem like a flake. If she didn’t really want to let him go, I could see keeping the connection open…although again – what a waste. Where’s her backbone? Where’s her self respect? If she didn’t want the checks, why not mark them return to sender? I’d feel better about her if it wasn’t such a long time. Or better, if they’d stayed friendly and in touch over the ten years, and now he’s asking for this favor even though that would put a kink in her life. I love the mother gnawing down the trees line, and the kids / what could be going on with them and the house is very intriguing.

On September 26, 2009 at 1:14 pm Kiersten said...

I had similar Fast Women flashbacks with the couch and the office setting as some of the other commenters. I love Fast Women, so it’s not a complaint, but I suspect that’s not what you’re going for here. I also had deja vu to Regency Romance, the whole “governess of uncontrollable children” motif. Obviously, far from the same wheelhouse as AKMG, but there ya go.

I finished reading and said – out loud, natch – “i love it, it’s great.” Then I read the comments and now I’m thinking “well, hmm, yeah.” I guess that just means I’m either incredible fickle and/or easily swayed. Or both.

I did stumble over the alimony checks. Seemed like a weak premise for the meeting. My avaricious soul immediately thought she was nuts for not cashing them, so that was a distraction. I like the idea someone mentioned of leading with “Mr Archer will see you now” and having North’s request preempt Andie’s reasons for calling. I think that’ll definitely help smooth some of the hiccups and info dump. Ditto dumping the mother references for now.

A woman is dead. Surely there’s been police involved and some kind of investigation, not just hysterical nannies. The girl hallucinates – what? Doesn’t North know? He seems to care for the kid’s situation but hasn’t been there in person to check it out?

I’m one who also stumbled over why Andie agrees to go so easily just because North has pretty eyes, or so it seems. If someone gave me that kind of info and then said “will you please go take care of this for me?” I’d say, are you out of your frickin’ mind? So I guess I need more of a reason for Andie to accept this so quickly. More than the 10 grand too.

I’m totally invested in North and Andie, though, and was hooked to keep reading, no question. But then, I’m a devoted nutter of a fan, so there you go. As others have already commented, I hope this isn’t hero misdirection again (I seem to be doing a lot of agreeing here, don’t I?) because North and Andie seem to be two people who still care very deeply for one another and have unresolved things between them, even with the red herring fiance in the wings.

My two fickle cents, for what they’re worth.

On September 27, 2009 at 6:25 am CrankyOtter said...

ditto. I thought it was great, but uh oh. Why would someone sitting on 119 checks of presumably more than 1,000 each (or $119,000 together) get all excited about $10K? Ok, one source has connotations and connections the other doesn’t have, but it all comes from the same bank account. Carefully saving those checks and handing them back in one big gesture is both a big gesture (lots of years invested in planning) and a blah gesture.

And North should have seend the kids at least once, I would think. If he hasn’t I would expect a better excuse than “not leaving the practice” for even a day. Has the man never vacationed?

Oddly enough, I liked it and want to read more. But some of these ladies make some excellent points. So it’s great but it’s also wrong. Which you knew…

On September 26, 2009 at 1:59 pm Naked Under My Clothes said...

Just an alert. Will Parker is the guy in “Oklahoma!” who thinks everything’s up to date in Kansas City. If you chose this name deliberately, swell, but he’s got a lot to measure up to–an “Oklahoma hello,” as I recall, PLUS he gets Ado Annie, the girl who cain’t say no and we all know that’s code for SHE LIKES SEX.

Otherwise, you’ve had some good comments. If you want to run a poll about whether the alimony checks are a weak reason for her to call North, be sure to indicate whether you intend them as a weak reason, and maybe even Andie sees them as a weak reason, because she’s really not over North and needs an excuse to see him before she goes off and (doesn’t) marry Will. That’s what I read, anyway.

On September 26, 2009 at 2:07 pm Merry the CB said...

I think Robena gets the tiara for longest comment. :)

First impressions:
Yes, cut the outer office and most of the secretary section. Do we need to know about Southie or the mother just then? My attention started to wander briefly at North’s explanation of what he uses the desk for. (Contrarily, I liked the information and what it showed me about him, but it seemed to make that section longer than it needed to be. Can you cut it at her complaining about the solid-unyielding-like-North-desk part and save his reaction for a later scene?)

Overall impression — yes, I’d keep reading. I would like to get to know these characters.

On September 26, 2009 at 2:22 pm Brussel Sprout said...

Yes, I too flashbacked Fast Women, especially with the couch.

I liked the characters, I really want to know what the nannies said in their reports and I also think that neither North nor Annie had sufficient oomph about needing to see each other again. The secretary seems superfluous.

I wasn’t sure about him calling her Andromeda. Just didn’t ring true. If she thinks she’s Andie, then he’d be calling her Andie, and only Andromeda in extremis. So you could reverse it, so that when he sees her, he says hello Andie, but when he neeeeeeeds her, he says Andromeda, please, I need you, and then she’d have that old toe-curling sizzle response because he only called her by her full name at very special moments or somesuch.

If you don’t have these two together at the end, I’d be inclined to sue for breach of contract with the reader. ;-) But why not make the Will Parker a real hottie piece of gorgeousness. At the moment, Andie’s feelings for him seem distinctly lukewarm. He’s good for me – well, so’s spinach. Give the girl a bit of spine.

On September 26, 2009 at 3:17 pm Sierra said...

I have to admit, there was a part of me that felt like she was making up the situation with Will, especially when Andie thinks about how North probably wouldn’t know him. I am highly suspicious of this pending marriage. Feels a bit too much like Agnes’ reasons for marrying Trevor…and wouldn’t Andie have learned that lesson with North?

On September 26, 2009 at 3:43 pm Sierra said...

Taylor, not Trevor. *headdesk*

On September 26, 2009 at 2:33 pm Sierra said...

I honestly really like this, and my suggestions are small ones about things that seemed jarring compared to the rest of the piece.

The first thing that struck me was the phrase “bumping her suitcase on the door frame on the way out.” I read it several times before I could put my finger on what seemed out of place. The door frame is given a place of significance. Could you change the way you label it to be “his door frame” or something, perhaps? You already make a point of her feeling as though she didn’t quite fit in North’s world, that it was his and not hers. I know it’s really small, but the flow just seemed…off.

Another small change might be taking out the fact that it’s her ex-husband’s reception room, and just let it be a reception room. Don’t let the reader know yet, especially since you seem to sort of build up to it in the following paragraphs.

I agree with TanyaG about the “south of the state” part.

I do feel as though we get a much better sense of North than we do Andie, though. His background is more concrete, but I don’t get a sense of what kind of teacher she is (other than not college) or why/where she travels so much, or how she’s able to. Their respective background reveals feel…unbalanced.

I do like that he gives her all the information that he does, largely because it shows that he’s upfront and honorable, and it also shows that she’s got a soft spot for either him or the kids. I wouldn’t expect anyone to go into a situation like that for large amounts of money alone.

The last thing that seemed off was that you mention the boy going to boarding/military school twice. The second time, you give more details, so maybe leave the first part out? It just seemed a little repetitive, maybe.

One note I’ll throw in is that, in Andie and North’s situation, I would somewhat suspect the kids of doing things to drive the nannies away. Especially if they both already have issues. Kids, in situations where they’re attached to a place and are feeling abandoned, will do all sorts of things to drive people away before they can choose to leave. It feels safer for them to be preemptive about the rejection, and to make sure that they stay where they feel protected.

I do love the scene, and like several of the other readers, I really do expect to have North and Andie get back together. Unlike most, though, I’m not sure how I feel about that yet. I guess I’ll have to wait for the book to see how it plays out. :)

On September 26, 2009 at 3:11 pm Susan D said...

Okay, I know you asked about what and where to cut, and others have done a good job of that, but I’m going to mention a few things that jumped out at me.

These children are in BIG BIG trouble. But North hasn’t been to see them, because he “can’t leave the practice.” So right away I’m casting him as the Ex-husband-Who-Hasn’t-a-Clue (and you do that so well, Jenny).

On the other hand, I had a hero-vibe from him when he said “I need somebody who doesn’t care about the way things are supposed to be.” This is hugely insightful into what the kids need and a big compliment to Andie. So I’m torn.

I agree with what’s been said above about the weakness of returning alimony cheques. She hasn’t been cashing them for 10 years? 95% of them are staledated, and surely North would have dealt with this situation before now. Just have him ask her to come see him. Then she can be conflicted (but intrigued) about coming in.

Alimony cheques. Really? It has a 1950s professional housewife ring to it, as if she didn’t hold an outside job before, during or after her marriage. Clearly there were no kids, so what’s up here?

Not clear whether Lydia is North’s wife or mother. I’m guessing mother. But even the “let Lydia raise a new generation of lawyers” could still mean his wife. Or maybe we’re supposed to be left guessing.

10 years. If she’s still carrying some emotional baggage (and she seems to be) this feels waaaay too long.

“I’m getting married. Again.” This gave me the impression she’s been married several times since North.

Motivation, motivation, motivation. Andie seems fairly take-it-or-leave-it about the $10,000. I feel she needs to need that money badly, so she has a good reason to take this nightmare job. (And perhaps North knows this, but doesn’t let on just yet.)

Boy, do I feel nervy, critiquing Jenny Crusie. Because you are, as always, the Best.

On September 26, 2009 at 3:24 pm robena grant said...

Oooops! Hadn’t realised my above crit was so long. Heh. Thanks Merry, I’m glad I got the prize for something. I’d wanted to read the entire thing for flow after removing sections. Anyway, go ahead and delete it, Jenny, as it will probably slow down the site.

On September 26, 2009 at 4:21 pm Merry the CB said...

It’s a very pretty, sparkly tiara, if that’s any consolation. :)

On September 26, 2009 at 3:28 pm BCB said...

Good grief, woman. You’ve re-written this scene 80 times? What, are you trying to kill it?

It doesn’t quite have the tone I was expecting for AKMG. But you won’t know what’s wrong with it until you get to the end. Focus on getting there. From what I remember, you’ve got quite a mess to untangle in this story. You’re not by any chance avoiding that . . . are you?

Chill. You’ve never once screwed up the beginning of a book (or any other part) — I can’t imagine you’re going to start now.

North and Southie? *snort* That completely cracked me up.

Thanks for giving us a glimpse. Good to hear your “fictional voice” again.

Go write the rest of it.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:40 pm Kelly said...

I also was left with a hrm after learning North’s sibling is Southie. Is there an East and West too? Who names their children after compass points? I’m hoping these are nicknames and we learn why….

On September 28, 2009 at 10:16 pm Kelly said...

Actually, I was thinking about this and people name their kids after days of the week and months of the year, so why not compass points.

On September 26, 2009 at 3:33 pm toni said...

You know where that scene starts? I mean, really kicks up? It’s here:

“I looked into your situation after you called.”
“You looked into . . .” Andie took a deep breath. “What the hell, North?”
He frowned at her. “There was no point in asking you for this if you had other commitments. I’ve never asked you for anything before—”
“You asked for a divorce.” As soon as Andie said it, she knew it was a mistake. She didn’t care about that anymore, she didn’t care about him, that part of her life was done.
North was looking at her over the tops of his glasses, exasperated. “I did not ask you for a divorce.”
“Yes, you did,” Andie said, in too far to stop now. “You told me that I seemed unhappy, and if that was true, you would understand if I divorced you.”
“You were playing Rita Coolidge every time I came up to the apartment. ‘I’d Rather Leave While I’m In Love.’ As hints go, it was pretty broad.”
Andie drew a deep breath. “There are people who, if their spouses are unhappy, try to do something about it.”
“I did. I gave you a divorce. Do we need to review that again, or can we move on?”

Then we can see the desk (and give him the rug and whatever, which sets up his wealth). With a little nudging, what is important in the backstory is either already alluded to again after this, or could be worked back in.

I actually like that she saved up the alimony checks to hand back to him in one grand moment. It’s an act of defiance, and an act of control and says a lot about her character’s need to figure out how to have a confrontation… particularly when her ex, an attorney, excels at confrontation so much, he’s perfectly calm about it.

Starting it at that point also creates the question (why did he look into her situation?), which then allows him to elaborate.

Also, North tells her too many times that he “needs somebody” and then “somebody like you” and then “you” — which is what makes me think he’s the potential hero. However, if he is? The man left children alone in a haunted house where their aunt died, accompanied only by a housekeeper? And he’s too busy to go down there? Major negatives. (If he is not the hero, keep that. It’s great. If he is the hero, then I sort of want to smack him and you gots lots o’ redeeming to do. (Ricky Ricardo voice there.) If he *is* the hero, then I’d like to know he at least tried to go himself and failed. And that he’s worried about the death and about sending Andie down there where something violent happened. Because kids-in-jep is a big issue.

All that said… (yes, Toni, have another frying pan handy?)… I raced through this, loving it, loving the characters, the premise and the voice. I would buy this book right now (and am annoyed that I cannot), and devour it in one sitting. so take everything with the caveat that what the hell do I know?

On September 26, 2009 at 3:35 pm toni said...

oh, and I loved the bits about the mother. I think they’re necessary.

On September 26, 2009 at 3:51 pm Lori J. said...

I’m going to say one more thing then shut-up. You have Andie and North as talking heads. Both of them are just sitting and talking with a big massive metaphor between them. No action, no conflict — just an exchanging of backstory and infodump. Compare this to the first scenes of DLD with Lucy standing on that damn bridge and Anges in AATHM in her kitchen swinging a frying pan. Those two first scenes started with action and conflict right off the bat and also at the location where the central story line takes place.

Also, this scene reminds me of the problems you talked about with the first scene in Faking It. Will the secretary be seen again in the story? Will the reception room, office or big massive desk be seen again or even mentioned again? Do they move the story forward?

Excellent comments from everyone. And excellent teaching tool, too.

On September 26, 2009 at 3:57 pm tennis41 said...

It kept me reading. And I know you don’t write to be funny but it was. I’d say finish the book, then go back and look at it. I did expect North and Andie to reunite by the end of the book, the ghosts to be scary and the kids to be very very odd. I can’t wait to see this house. And your names are fabulous.

On September 26, 2009 at 4:02 pm Johanna McSweeney said...

I cut over 800 words. The comment box won’t let me copy and paste the whole things with changes in a different color or font size, so I have a list with comments below, I assume you’ll find them in context.

1. She looked around the room. She’d (Read better to me without the ‘d, try it and see if you agree.) thought he’d have changed the William Morris wallpaper …

2. “He’s really very nice,” the secretary confided.
“No, he isn’t.” (Does the secretary not know who she is? Or even worse does she make the comments to anyone who sees her boss? If she isn’t going to be a secondary character, she doesn’t need this many lines, I would cut it. The reader will decide if he is nice or not.)

3.“I’m glad you called.” He sat down, and Andie had a moment where she thought, He missed me, and then he looked past her and said, “Thank you, Kristin,” to his secretary, and it was pretty hard to make a moment out of such a short . . . moment, so Andie went back to concentrating on that new life she was starting.
“So the reason I called—”
(This scene made me think the secretary left. So the next part, which indicates North still remembers small things about her after 10 years is important, but it started with confusion on my part, as the reader, because I thought the secretary had been dismissed by him thanking her.)

4. Theodore Archer, (we don’t need to know his name now, if it is important we can learn it later.)

5. …, so his death left his two children orphans. (Obvious statement saying he was made a guardian indicates the same idea.) He made me their (change to “his children’s” if you cut the previous bit.) guardian.”

6. That would be a horrible thing to do to two helpless orphans, but North and Southie had survived it, these kids probably would, too. (Maybe rewrite sentence so she doesn’t sound so uncaring.)

7. …psychotic (use a less harsh word or cut this one word and just use “break”) break when the nanny tried ….

8. She didn’t care about that anymore, she didn’t care about him, that part of her life was done. (Shorten or cut, seem repetitive or over the top.)

9. …, pretty sure North wouldn’t know him. (Makes her seem snotty or superior, especially since North does know who Will Parker is. Almost as if she thinks North is uneducated.)

10. “Marimekko? What are you talking about?” (For someone who remembers what type of tea she drinks, you would think he would know what, or where, she is talking about here.)

11. “The nannies. All three of them said there were ghosts. The last one was hysterical. It’s ridiculous, but I can’t send another nanny down there if somebody’s playing tricks. I need somebody who can handle the unexpected. Somebody like you. And you’re the only person like you that I know.” He met her eyes again, and suddenly he was the old North again, warm and real. “They’re little kids, Andie. I can’t get them out of there, and I can’t leave them there, and I can’t leave the practice long enough to find out what’s going on, and even if I could, I don’t know anything about kids. I need you. Not somebody, you.” (End the scene with this paragraph. We don’t need her to confirm she’ll take the job. We know she will, but the next scene can maybe start with her wondering why she agreed. Also most of the information about the children, if she knew this before hand, she would be crazy to take the job. She herself says it sounds like the kid is a serial killer in training yet she is so easily convinced that it will be okay, even after he makes it worse by saying the Aunt “fell from a tower”. As if the kid couldn’t have pushed her. Later he could say he didn’t mention any of this because it doesn’t matter since they are good kids and by then the reader may agree. If the kids really are good you don’t want the reader thinking they are evil. Most people would not accept an “incident with a cat”, animal cruelty isn’t really forgivable. If they are evil, why would he send her there unless he isn’t the “hero”, and if he isn’t the hero he wouldn’t warn her. Everything after this paragraph is like in the third “Lord of the Rings” movie ending, except this isn’t the end of your story. You’ll have plenty of time to give us this information later.)

On September 26, 2009 at 4:03 pm Shari said...

Loving it already. It does feel a bit disjointed in the beginning. The mommy in me wants a really compelling reason for why he hasn’t been down with the kids under the circumstances. I also need a more compelling reason for Andie to say yes after ten years and some unresolved seemingly low level emotions. Maybe North initiated this contact between them specifically to ask for Andie’s help and she shows up to tie up the loose ends? Thanks for the sneak peek I can’t wait.

On September 26, 2009 at 4:17 pm Lyn said...

Reader, not writer, here. I’m not up to speed on this project, so this is likely to be of no value, but–It DID seem long to me, and after reading it, I still don’t know what to expect. For me, nothing interested me till North mentioned ghosts and towers. It’s a Crusie, so it’ll be good, but stories that center on children–maybe I’m more like North than Andromeda. Why are they both named after stars? They’re nice names, but kind of like they’re brother and sister, named by the same mother.
Right now, neither of them seems very strong, though both seen perfectly nice. Ten years is a long time to be keeping track of checks, specially for someone who travels a lot. And if she’s a teacher, why does she travel? She comes across more like a free-lance journalist than a teacher, except that a journalist would be more aggressive. Clearly, she has not come to make a clean break; she has come to give him one last chance to win her again. However, he’s trying to send her to a place with towers and possibly homicidal children, so maybe he’s the one who wants a clean break. Okay, that was a joke. But if he cares about her at all, why is he sending her to Hell House?

And why isn’t he paying her better? $10k/mo just isn’t all that much.

Now, I’ve read your blogs a couple of times a month for the past few years, and you always wring your hands and question your DNA and then turn out something that hits the NYT best-seller list.

Now, I’ll quit before someone hands ME the tiara. Just, basically, stop trying to wade in from the kiddie pool. Dive!
PS–the preview button didn’t work.

On September 26, 2009 at 4:25 pm SueG said...

Another country heard from…I don’t have a problem with the alimony checks being Andie’s reason for contacting North, it shows us (and North, if he’s paying attention) that she isn’t over him. Why would you hang on to 10 years worth of alimony checks otherwise? She can tell herself she’s over him, but she is smart and really knows she isn’t.

I also like the back story, I think it’s needed. We need to know at least a little of the why. The details will come throughout the story, I’m sure. It shows that even now they don’t know how to communicate. Maybe her complaints about the outer office are too similar to Nell’s in Fast Women. The comments about the desk are needed because of North’s hiding behind it. Her “naked” comment is fabulous.

I also think a slight mention of the fiance is plenty, that section kind of goes on for no reason.

I agree with the thought that maybe Andie doesn’t need to know how “haunted” the house is up front. Haunted yes, but maybe not the whole death, destruction, & hallucinations part yet. The serial killer comment, love it! Since North finds the haunted house idea “ridiculous” I don’t think the tower comment, etc. are necessary. North wouldn’t send Andie into a situation he believed was really dangerous for her; he’d get the kids removed for their own good, get the boy in counseling & hospitalize the girl if necessary. He already strikes me as someone who does what has to be done, regardless of the consequences, and without discussion.

I don’t write or edit, just read and I too, am already invested in the characters and can’t wait for the book to come out. I’m sure it’s driving you crazy at the moment, but WE appreciate the work!

On September 26, 2009 at 4:59 pm Carol Anne said...

Is North afraid of ghosts or kids? Or both? I get the unresolved issues with Adie and North. First thought about the cheques – all staledated except for the last 6 months. She was saving the cheques because … A lot of description – more telling instead of showing the reader. Still it is a Crusie and I love your work. Not very crazy about stories with ghosts and scary bits – is it Scoopy Doo or scare the whack out of us or somewhere inbetween? Sorry, I just remembered it is a Crusie novel, unless, you are starting to go in a bit of a darker direction. Whatever you decide, it will be a great read. Your books always are. Love “Bet Me” one of my re-reads in the winter or the summer …

On September 26, 2009 at 5:02 pm Carol Anne said...

PS – I still like the stale dated / saved cheques and North still writing them to her.

On September 26, 2009 at 5:23 pm Egads said...

Thank you for sharing the process with us.

I’m okay with the characters, but I find the scene repetitive. You say everything in their argument at least twice, sometimes 3 or 4 times if you count the narrative.

I don’t remember if you said this is romantic or not, but if there is no romance between North and Andie, her internal responses to him need to be seriously rewritten.

North is intriguing, but seems cold when he says he’s too busy with the law practice to go down and see the children. If he’s going to be a hero, can we get some reference to an important case that would make his decision more sympathetic? Something that seriously affects his client’s well being (not just money)?

On September 26, 2009 at 6:04 pm Deanna Nelle said...

I really enjoyed reading this; can’t wait for the book. A supernatural Crusie is like Christmas and my birthday in a magical land where calories don’t exist and I have an endless buffet of all my favorite things and rides and…you get the picture. Now having said that…

1. Andie’s not angry enough. I feel that she should come storming into North’s office IN RESPONSE to his request for a meeting. It’s the last straw. Why won’t he leave her be once and for all? Maybe they’re not just Alimony checks, but Christmas cards, Birthday checks, etc. along with letters of ‘helpful advice’ that he thinks she can benefit from. After all, if he’s a caretaker type, they typically want to take care of people whether they want it or not. Then his phone call to discuss whatever is the final straw. If it was me I’d have torn every check/ card/ whatever up into little pieces and dumped them all over his pristine desk. I would then say something to the effect of “Leave me the hell alone, you obsessive-compulsive controlling freak!” and march out the door.

2. He’s got to get her to stay. He has to know how to push her buttons enough to A. show us why she fell for him in the first place and B. persuade her to take this job against her better judgment without freaking her out. I would be uneasy if someone described those kids like that and then wanted me to go take care of them. It sounds like they need professional care, not a wandering schoolteacher. I think North would be inclined to gloss over the more troubling aspects of the situation and play up the money, portraying the kids more as grieving and ill-behaved than emotionally disturbed. I also agree with those who said he should have gone down there. I think it’s contrary to his character from what I’ve read so far that he wouldn’t have assessed the situation himself.

3. Her situation needs to be intolerable enough so that the idea of getting out of town even for a month or two sounds wonderful. Could she be writing a book, perhaps about old houses (or haunted ones) which would be a selling point for her. He could then mention the haunting with a smirk like he doesn’t believe it. Maybe this is a lifelong hobby/ interest of hers, and one of the things they fought about when they were married. Also she needs to NEED that money (maybe she needs it to help pay off her mother’s house or her fiancé needs it for something). It should be the final tipping point. The chance to write uninterrupted for 1-2 months, with room, board and a housekeeper provided, AWAY FROM HER MOTHER, plus she ends up $10,000-$20,000 richer at the end of it (and can therefore take care of her problem), and all she has to do is straighten out two acting-out kids? Booyah!!!

I am seriously loving this story.

On September 26, 2009 at 6:32 pm Savvy2 said...

I have no problem with the scene starting in the office. FAST WOMEN started in the office and begins with a fine, fine scene. Fine because of its edginess, because of Nell’s desperation to get that job with Gabe. We’re in her head, we know what the job means to her. And we feel the sexuality rolling off Gabe in waves. (Admit it: Gabe turned you on.) But is the conflict between Gabe and Nell any greater, really, that the one between Andie and North? I don’t think so. North needs Andie to save the kids. That’s a strong need. We see Andie as she resists North. Her motive for resisting just needs to be better. Intense. I feel what is wrong with the scene is that we don’t feel the desperation on either side of the Andie/North equation. North’s too cool. Andie’s too indifferent about Will. Both characters are civil and unemotional. So…..no intensity on either side.

Another thing might be POV. I realize this book probably belongs to Andie. But this scene belongs to North. He is the character with the most to lose. He is the one with the greatest need. Unless you change that. After all, saving vulnerable kids is important, and he needs Andie for this. If it’s Andie’s scene, she needs to desperately resist helping him for a powerful personal reason. Like self-preservation. Like their breakup almost destroyed her and she can’t take any further risks. So, we need to be in the head of the person who has the greatest motivation, and we need to feel their desperation.

On September 26, 2009 at 6:54 pm Mary Stella said...

I think we’re pretty much hitting the same issue. There are too many details and too much backstory getting in the way of your brilliance. I agree with those who say start the scene with her already in the office. You don’t need the office decor description or the secretary.

To Andie, this meeting is hers — she’s cutting ties, returning the checks she never wanted. It should be a power moment for her in that she’s reminding him that she didn’t need him financially and she’s going to get married signifying that she has taken care of fulfilling the emotional/love/relationship needs without him, too. In her situation, I know I’d have had to pump myself up for this moment — but unless I’m a completely cold, heartless beyotch, I could still be completely touched by North flat out admitting that he needs me. If there had always been a figurative and literal barrier between them, even during their marriage, then having him reach out to me with any expression of need is hugely significant.

On September 26, 2009 at 6:54 pm Mary Stella said...

Crap. I switched pronouns. I should have proofread my own comment. Sorry. Hope the point still comes across.

On September 26, 2009 at 7:04 pm ineed3 said...

Yeah, I agree with several- the alimony checks need a little more explaining. Right now they are a weak motivation. If she has been saving them up for a grand gesture, 10 years seems like a loooooong time to be doing that. Has she been thinking about doing this the whole 10 years? And if so, what made her wait this long? Did she take a confrontation class or something? :) I’m guessing that this new “engagement” is why she’s doing this right now, but the fact that she’s been hanging on to the checks for 10 YEARS says, “soooooo not over him, she’d buy his fingernail clippings on ebay if she could find them”. And she seems as excited about her new fiancee as she would be about, say, a bowl of high fiber, vitamin fortified bran flakes. There is definite chemistry between her and North, and I’m wondering why she’s fooling herself into this “marriage” when clearly this first one isn’t over. And I didn’t feel like I got to know her well- all the previous Crusies have had me solidly on the heroine’s side at the get go and in this one I actually like North a little bit better. I LOVE his responses about the desk- so practical and sensible when she’s flying high into symbolism- shows how they compliment each other. Even though I did think he should have checked out unhinged kids and adult death himself instead of sending a patsy. Bottom line- I need to care about Andie more and she had BETTER end up with North at the end! :)

On September 26, 2009 at 7:51 pm GatorPerson said...

You have 2 chapters here: 1. Andie getting acquainted with North again and 2. the situation with the kids.
Unnecessary: Southie, Kristin, some of the room description (need just enough to show North doesn’t change), alimony checks. Andie seems flaky and unreliable if she says nonono to the month and then yes with no motivation. Also I was confused about who Archer and North were. Maybe insert his whole name early on.

On September 26, 2009 at 8:10 pm ineed3 said...

Oh, sorry I forgot- if she’s going back to his office to give him back a bunch of money she didn’t want/need, should money be a motivation for her to take this job? She’s going to give him back a bunch of money just to do this job and take a bunch of money from him? It doesn’t quite make sense to me. Still, loving the setup and can’t wait for the book!

On September 26, 2009 at 8:10 pm Ericka said...

reader not writer here. first thought – loved it. but i’ve been deprived of new crusie forever so that may be affecting me. if i break out the critical viewpoint… you’ve created conflict, but maybe not the kind you were going for. if these two don’t end up together, you really need to change the tone of this meeting. and right now, i don’t really care for either one of them. her: manipulative twit who left but clearly wanted him to follow and is using a really lame excuse (the checks) to drop back into his life. him: two helpless orphans and he’s too busy to leave the office. really? and now his ex-wife shows up for the first time in ten years and – aha! – she’s perfect to fix everything. hmm, i’m thinking… no. also, ten years seems like way too long unless something major happened to keep them apart in the meantime.

just finish the rest of it and come back later. i have every confidence in your ability to make it all okay in the end. or the beginning, depending on how you look at it.

On September 26, 2009 at 8:13 pm Ericka said...

also, what ineed3 just said! she can’t need the money that badly, or she’d be cashing those checks. if they were that much of an issue that she wouldn’t cash them, she’d be destroying them or mailing them back immediately upon receipt.

On September 26, 2009 at 8:25 pm Emily said...

My feeling is, much as I love the writing, you just handed me the whole story. I feel like I know exactly where it’s going and how it’s going to resolve (with a few minor details along the way), particularly given that the characters already sound, from the exposition, a lot like Tess and Nick in Strange Bedpersons. I don’t need to know about the ghosts yet, I don’t need to know all the back history of the failed marriage, and I already know that the marriage with Will is doomed to not happen. I want a few more surprises. I also agree that Andie needs stronger motivation for being there. I think it gets back to the problem you talked about on your blog with the opening chapter of Faking It: this isn’t where the action really starts. I agree with one of the other posters – finish the book and then see if you really need the first chapter. I love the exchange about who set up the meeting, though; that gave me a great feel for the two characters and their relationship right there, but maybe it gave away too much too early about who they are and what went wrong between them.

On September 26, 2009 at 8:46 pm Office Wench Cherry said...

My first impression is that it seems very stilted and forced, I agree that the alimony cheques are weak. I was also waiting for Andie to grow a backbone, she seemed intimidated by the office and secretary. She blames him for the divorce but he only gave her a divorce because it was what he thought she wanted based on her music and what he thought she was thinking, kind of a cross between O. Henry and Three’s Company. They both took the easy way out even though they still love each other.

I’d love to see her have more action. Maybe storm in passed the secretary, drop the cheques on his desk and yell at him to quit sending her the damn alimony, that she never wanted it and doesn’t need it. Even if she’s terrified she needs to pretend she’s not. He could interrupt her yelling by saying “Andie, I need your help” in what she would recognize as his desperate voice. Maybe he calls her by a nickname only he called her and that gets her attention.

North is obviously sending her money because he feels responsible – he’s got that responsible for everyone, the world falls apart if he sneaks out to movie, oldest child vibe and I like that. He’s the one I like in the scene but he needs a better reason for not going to see the children himself than he can’t get away from the office. Not being able to go because of work makes him seem like a jerk when what he appears to be is one of those men who are clueless and avoid conflict. What kind of lawyer is he? His he trying a very serious case? A murder, a class-action bunch-of-kids-got-cancer lawsuit? He wants the kids happy but he’s not sure how to do it himself. I’m just not sure why he feels that she has the qualifications for the job. Maybe she got fired for some extreme out of the box teaching methods or something. I want to know why he needs her to be his Susan Sto Helit and being the ex-wife doesn’t cut it for me.

I would keep the “He’s really very nice.” “No, he’s not” comments but put them at the end.

I do have to agree with everyone that I want to read more.

On September 26, 2009 at 9:08 pm Kallie said...

Why, if she’s returning the checks, would she take $10,000? Wouldn’t the checks be more than that amount, and if so, why would she need the $10,000 but NOT have cashed the checks? Money from an ex is still money from an ex be it alimony or helping with two kids.

And there was almost too much backstory. As a reader, I don’t need their past history right away. Books that hint at it, or gradually build the past history are ones that are a smoother read. It has to have that flow.

But all things said, I’d still buy it and read it! This sounds like an amazing read. =) And I LOVE all things Crusie. ;)

On September 26, 2009 at 9:53 pm Eva said...

I got nuthin. I’m totaly biased, you could write ‘shitshitshit’ and I’d tell everyone how brilliant it was.

I just wrote a divorced couple that gets back together and the thing is, you can’t have a scorched earth divorce or no one will believe the HEA. Quite the tightrope. So, you may think this has problems, but I read it and went, “Crap. And mentally tossed all my papers into a garbage can. Ok, not, but in my head I did. And that is where the real stuff happens anyway.

On September 26, 2009 at 9:57 pm JulieB said...

I like the scene and really disagree that it needs cutting. Please keep the line about the the big trees and his mother gnawing the wood for the desk at all costs.
We do need some details. I like that we are in the waiting room, and then see North, with his sunlight hair. It’s a good visual. We don’t need to know about the William Morris wallpaper though, and I didn’t like the snap at the secretary. I thought it just made Andie a mean bitch — the secretary didn’t do anything.
I would start with a close up of the checks — Andie could belholding them when she is called into the office, and then she stuffs them into her bag and sees North.
Conflict lock: She wants to give him the checks and stop their last bit of communication.
He wants to hire her which will restart/deepen communication and pay her scads of money.
It works for me.
Some of the duplicate references can be trimmed down a bit.
I like having a quick lay of the land before I get into the story. I don’t think this is all backstory, and I predict the mother is going to be important.
I also think that the quick reference to Southie is just a nice tap to our heads for when he shows up later. (Unless he doesn’t of course. But if he didn’t, I’m sure you would already have cut him.)
So. I like the pacing and tone and don’t think this went too long. Someone said cut the tea. I’m not partial, but if you did that, and cut the description of the waiting room, you’d shorten some of the overall words. It would be a close-up, middle, then full-shot (Checks, door, North behind the vast desk) set up in the minds of the readers, and you’d keep the tempo and tone, which I love.
I noticed you deleted the “star” reference from CherryCon. I liked that and will be interested to see if it comes in later. :)

On September 27, 2009 at 1:59 pm JulieB said...

Heh. I woke up at 5 AM today and thought “Wait! It wasn’t a start — it was “‘true.’” Oh well.

On September 26, 2009 at 10:03 pm Mel said...

I agree with what has been said about the alimony checks being not the greatest motivation for her and that North needs a better reason to not go to the kids, particularly with someone dying at the house. I would read on but not particularly loving either of them yet.

The stuff about the ghosts, as a someone who reads a lot of urban fantasy as well as romance, left me with the impression that Andy somehow has a special ability to deal with ghosts a la a ghost hunter or something and that’s why he needs her to do it and why she might agree. If she isn’t a ghost hunter then something needs to change, I’m not sure about cutting the ghosts entirely (unless he’s ultra dismissive of the possibility so we know he in no way thinks the situation is dangerous because if he does, then he’s not heroic to send her and stay away Something along the lines of “Their Aunt has died, the nannies are hopeless and keep babbling about bumps in the night, these kids need someone sensible”)
If you keep the ghosts, then yes, why would Andy agree to go to a haunted house where someone has died? Is she a teacher who can’t resist a kid in trouble or something? Can he ask her to go down for just a few days to see what the kids need and bring them back if she possibly can? I can see her agreeing to something like that rather than $10, 000 (particularly if she’s not broke, which she can’t be if she’s never needed his money).
I had another thought which was could you start this at the house? You know, Andy calls North because she wants to say she’s getting married and for the love of Pete, you can stop the darn checks now (and to me, saving those checks speaks of someone trying to prove a point of “I’ve been just fine without you financially” and I didn’t get anything from this that North had ever tried to tell her her career choice wasn’t viable or anything a la Nick and Tess). He says, I’m out of town, if you want to see me, I’m here and she’s determined enough to get her moment of closure that she goes (or she now conveniently lives somewhere not too far from the house, or is on her way back from a job down south or there’s some other ongoing legal thing that she needs to get him to sign something about or something that means it has to be face to face). You’d start with her arriving, they can have the same sort of initial conversation which gives us a little of the backstory of there and then he reveals he’s been called back to the city for something urgent and smooth talks her into staying for just a few days? There’s the driver and maids and all to go get her stuff….

On September 26, 2009 at 11:15 pm Mary Allyce said...

Reminds me of the opening sentence from one of your books you read at the S. Florida’s writers’ conference years ago (2001, I think). You were horrified at the convoluted length of it and I said I thought it perfectly defined the clutter and confusion in the character’s mind and you thanked me for lying so politely.

On September 26, 2009 at 11:35 pm Jenny said...

This stuff is great. Never apologize for being a reader instead of a writer; readers give better feedback because they’re reading for content and feel not all the wonky stuff we writers do. And yes, this time, Andie and North end up together. One Wild Ride is enough.
Processing all of this, but thank you very very very much.

On September 26, 2009 at 11:36 pm Jenny said...

Oh, one other thing. $120K a year isn’t a lot for a nanny? Really?

On September 27, 2009 at 1:41 am Briana said...

As someone who WAS a nanny, it’s a lot for a nanny, but it maybe doesn’t seem like a lot for a “you’re the ONLY person who can do this job…and it’s dangerous and weird and has ghosts” kind of thing for a month or two. But my nanny job didn’t have ghosts or towers.
;-)

On September 27, 2009 at 7:02 am Savvy2 said...

My sister-in-law is a nanny. It’s a LOT for a nanny.

On September 27, 2009 at 2:02 pm JulieB said...

I don’t know anyone who has ever had a nanny, but I did know two women who worked as “nannies.” One was a friend’s girlfriend, and she was here illegally, so you can imagine she did not make a very good wage.
The other was a friend who served as an “au pair” in college. She was barely paid more than slave-wages.

On September 27, 2009 at 12:39 am Flamingo Cherry said...

Overall I like it and am looking forward to more. I’ve skipped most of the previous comments, so if anything I’ve said is repetitious, just ignore me.

Having the male and female lead previously married but divorced for a decade is a departure, but leaving them emotionally unresolved helps address that. I got a little chemistry between them, but it felt wonky, which is good since their relationship has been wonky for a long time.

I think that North “goes still” too many times.

I’m not sure I bought her keeping 10 years worth of checks and only now deciding to do something about them. Even if she didn’t previously want to deal with North, she could have mailed them back with a terse “quit sending these.” Likewise, he’d know if she wasn’t cashing them and somewhere along the line, if he’s a smart businessman, would have called her to ask why she isn’t cashing them because he can’t close his books.

I think you gave too much detail about the kids’ situation to show the parallels with Turn of the Screw. It’s mostly the minor details that feel like they are bashing me over the head. Maybe I’m wrong, because I can sort of see why you need them, but my initial knee jerk was … “too much too soon, let me discover some of this later.”

Can’t wait for the finished product, and thanks for asking for input.

On September 27, 2009 at 12:40 am Deanna Nelle said...

I think it’s not that she doesn’t need the money- its that she wants to earn it. She doesn’t want North to see her as one more person he has to take care of-probably one of the reasons she left in the first place. But if HE needs HER, that’s a whole other kettle of fish. And maybe she wasn’t saving them- maybe she’s been in another country, moved around a lot, so she doesn’t get her mail regularly (could her mom be getting her mail for her, and keeping the checks even though Andie said to throw them out? That would explain why there were so many). Maybe she did try to send them back but he sent them back again. Maybe she didn’t cash them as a passive-aggressive swipe at him while at the same time keeping them in case she ever got truly desperate for money.

On September 27, 2009 at 12:41 am Flamingo Cherry said...

Oh, also … if she’s a teacher, what’s the deal with her traveling a lot? Or did I read that wrong?

On September 27, 2009 at 12:55 am jennifer said...

Some random thoughts:

-If the aunt was taking care of them, why wasn’t she the guardian? Could you have it that she was the guardian, and after she died, then North became guardian? And maybe he saw them at the funeral, and since then he’s been swamped with one specific case, but trying to keep in contact (weekly phone calls or emails or something).

-Andie’s feelings about North’s decor only make sense if she knows that North has always disliked the decor. As someone else said, if he liked it, why would he change it? If he didn’t like it, then that would be frustrating for someone who cared about him, that he couldn’t be bothered to change something that wasn’t to his taste. (Maybe his home decor is very modern and minimalist?) Also, the desk is enough of a symbol of the not-changing-decor-in-ten-years. You don’t also need the wallpaper, rugs, and couch.

-I agree that the returning alimony checks is a weak reason for the meeting. This may sound wacky, but what if she’s tried to return them before, and he somehow stopped her? Or what if he just started direct depositing them so she couldn’t rip up the checks? I like the idea of a bank account that she’s been pretending doesn’t exist, until her fiance finds out about it. Then she could make a REALLY grand gesture, like returning the money in rolls of quarters or something. (Okay, I said it was wacky. I’m low on sleep and full of cold medicine at the moment.)

-Can she have a soft spot for old houses, especially ones from England? Because I could see that helping to tip her over the edge — or, maybe it’s wanting to help North that tips her over the edge, but she wants him to think it’s the house (and wants herself to think that, too). I don’t know — I just don’t really get why she gives in.

-Maybe I read too fast, but I don’t get the significance of the one-month time period. He says he just needs her to be there for a month, but what happens in a month? Is it a month till he can get away from the office, a month till there’s an opening in a boarding school, a month until a specific, hard-core nanny can get down there, what?

I had more I wanted to say, but the baby’s crying, so I’ll take that as a cue to stop rambling. Just one last thought — there’s an awful lot of information crammed into this scene. You obviously know the story better than we do, but I find it hard to believe that ALL of this info is absolutely vital for the very first scene. Surely some of it could come later — some of the info about their split, or some description of the house — why do we need to know ALL of it right up front?

Oh, also — the part about him providing the driver because the roads are confusing. I’m guessing this is a setup so she’ll be isolated — I’m guessing that because it seems a little contrived/convoluted. Can’t she just not drive, or not have a car?

p.s. The preview key’s not working, so sorry if this comment is a jumbled mess.

On September 27, 2009 at 1:11 am Lurkella said...

I know you want to cut this, but my three main concerns might add more.

First, I’m not getting North’s appeal– nice but dull, yes; sexy hero Andie’s gonna fall for again, no. Need more description of his, er, assets, and of Andie’s reaction to being in the same room with him (besides irritation).

Second, I’m not getting Andie’s motivation. A decade of alimony checks is too much. Andie is not merely not over North, she’s in arrested development. And she needs a really good reason to capitulate to his job offer. Those kids sound like psychopaths, and the “something about a cat” squicked me out. My protective instincts weren’t aroused and I really don’t want Andie riding off to their rescue. Maybe to the cat’s…

Third, the subject of the haunted house was dropped in too casually. It needs to get a stronger reaction, either of belief or disbelief. Instead, I’m not sure where North and Andie stand on the existence-of-ghosts question. North says “the house is haunted” to stop Andie from leaving, like he thinks it’s important information or that Andie would think so. Then before Andie can react, he dismisses the notion as ridiculous and assumes someone is playing tricks. The ghost question seems an opportunity for conflict between these two, and could give Andie motivation to take the job. Instead it just lies there.

What could be cut:
Kristin is mentioned a lot, so I hope she is important. I noticed that amid Andie’s irritation that North’s office was just the same as the day she met him, she didn’t note that Kristin was new. (Kristin didn’t recognize the ex-Mrs. North Archer, so she must have been hired since the divorce.) Depending on how important Kristin is, her part could be cut down. The kids’ backstory could be cut way down, emphasizing their loss and their current pitiful state and leaving the psychopathy and other difficulties to come out later. North’s infodump after Andie says “yes” could be cut, especially since once he gets her agreement he goes professional on her and basically hands her off to Kristin. Andie doesn’t need to think about her fiance’s reaction to her new job, I rather like that she’s forgotten all about him.

Finally, North’s line about his desk, “Mostly I use it to write on,” got a LOL from me.

On September 27, 2009 at 3:03 am lucyinthesky said...

Another reader here. I like that she’s trying to return the checks, and then walks out of the room having accepted money from him. I’m not sure if it’s a parallel or irony, but I like it. I agree with other comments that the conflict between those events could be stronger.

On September 27, 2009 at 3:45 am CatScott said...

I really liked it. I think the problems are minor and will probably leap off the page at you once you’ve finished it. It reminds me a little of “His Girl Friday”, which I absolutely adore!

For what it’s worth I liked that Andie is returning the alimony checks. It’s explained and makes sense. She believes that in order to move on with her new life she must cut all ties to her past and North. I think there’s also a lot of subconscious motivation to her actions and his for writing those checks each month. I also like the he knows she doesn’t cash them.

If you’ve ever had a relationship end that was unresolved you understand the whole check thing. Those checks are quite symbolic and I think they speak volumes about both characters and their motivations.

It was previously mentioned to have more action in this scene. I think having Andie stand and maybe pace a little will pick up the energy level. If North was always behind that desk, like he is now, then having her stand/pace would highlight their differences and kick up the tension.

She’s been traveling, moving and doing while he’s remained the same. She’s somewhat irritated by the lack of change, the alimony checks, remembering his mother and seeing him behind that desk. I would hazard a guess that she is also somewhat anxious to see him again and deliver the news about her impending nuptials. If she isn’t anxious/nervous then she is probably over him. I think the pacing could relay a bit of that anxious irritation.

I think if you show us then you don’t have to tell us.

On September 27, 2009 at 3:54 am Micki said...

I really liked it — v. cool 1930s “Front Page” vibe (sorry, that should be “His Girl Friday”), about a woman ready to move on from her ex, but not quite as ready as she thinks she is.

I thought it went smoothly until the “Marimekko?” remark, and the stuff about him behind the desk. I do think a little backstory could be omitted.

The checks seem to be such a sticking point. Is there anything else? I thought of the “return the birthday/Christmas cards” thing, too. Or maybe some object that she’s been lugging around all these years. Or . . . more modern, but a lot of the widows I know don’t tend to change their e-mail addresses. Maybe he hasn’t changed his personal e-mail, either, and she’s here to tell him, “I’m moving ON, change, dammit!”

The names are weird. Good weird? Bad weird? I don’t know yet. But “Andromeda” is weird enough, it makes me want to stop and look up the mythology. “North” and “Southie” are also pretty weird. However, it doesn’t really break the deal for me . . . maybe that’s one of the things they bonded over during the first courtship — weird names.

I like the stuff about the moms — kind of explains why *he* isn’t really interested in hands-on parenthood.

Finally, explaining what sort of teacher she is may be helpful — I was assuming some sort of special ed teacher who deals in troubled kids. But, as others have pointed out, how does travelling fit in this? I’m sure it could, but maybe there’s a better word for her profession that just plain “teacher.”

Why does it have to be her? I get the feeling he’s desparate about them, and desparate to get her back in his life.

(-: I have a great deal of faith — loved the comment about how you agonize on the blog, but then come out with something gorgeous a few months later.

On September 27, 2009 at 5:45 am Mariah said...

Honestly, I found the scene confusing. First off, did they meet 10 years ago or did they divorce ten years ago? “He looked exactly the way he had ten years ago when she’d bumped her suitcase on the door frame on her way out of town—” can go either way.

Also, I thought Lydia was North’s new wife. The way Andie asked about her made me think that North was cheating on her with Lydia. I didn’t get that she was North’s mother until I was reading the comments.

Also, walking out of a marriage because of a simple miscommunication? That just doesn’t sit well. Seriously, why didn’t she ask him why he thought divorce was a good idea, instead of some bizarre default? And if she was unhappy, why didn’t she try and do something about it– something a bit more real than just playing music? That’s just too passive to believe.
The only thing that intrigued me about the chapter was the house, the kids, and the ghosts. Andie and North just aren’t that interesting.

Especially Andie. Seriously, cash the checks and buy great shoes, or go and do something that North wouldn’t enjoy. Not doing something won’t ever make the same statement that doing something does. It’s just like not fighting for the marriage. Or fighting the checks from the beginning, if she felt the money wasn’t hers. She’s just too passive to be interesting, and definitely too passive for me to think that she can fix some crazy situation.

Just my $0.02.

On September 27, 2009 at 6:46 am Briana said...

But it’s consistent — if she didn’t do anything about the marriage issues, then it makes sense that she wouldn’t cash the checks. It’s definitely within character for her. Though maybe it’s part of what she’s working to change, which is why she’s there to return them.

On September 27, 2009 at 6:03 am CrankyOtter said...

Huh. I rather like it. I can see her kind of getting bulldozed by him, so I assume that’s something that’ll get better if they’re meant to be together.

“Just Hell”, though. I’ve literally never seen or heard that anywhere but a Jenny Crusie book. Which means I associate it with the first character I heard use it, and not as a quirky but generic term. So when you use it for another character, it makes me think they’re “generic Crusie heroine” rather than “quirky annoyed heroine” with her own voice. You can use it, but that’s the effect of that specific interjection on me. (on the plus side, it does signal a Crusie heroine!)

…N&S had survived it; these kids probably would too. I want to see a semicolon there. It gave me pause when there wasn’t one.

On the whole, I like the names. Southie,when first encountered I thought “oh, one of _those_ family names. But the second time it starts to seem creepy. Don’t know why but I think that’s the “ie”. But I did spend time out of the story thinking about why the name tweaks me. By the third chapter, I probably won’t notice, though. so much for helpful feedback. Conversely, the name Alice made me smile.

How come a housekeeper and a groundskeeper can hack being there (and presumably keep the kids from running totally off the rails) but the nannies can’t?

I love the “incompetent amateur” retort and the blow jobs line. And her feelings about the desk, how it looms larger in her memories of him than he does, really ground the story of their past relationship for me.

Despite what I said, I’d read it as is. There’s something so present in your fiction that makes me want to be a fly on that wall. (A well camouflaged fly, mind.) When can I buy it?

On September 27, 2009 at 7:28 am DownUnderGal said...

I’m sorry – I dont agree with any of the comments. I loved every single word. This screams classic Crusie and this is the way you tell stories and I trust that and if you hadn’t asked our opinion and it just came out as is then you’d have 68 people telling you they loved it.
Dont. Change. A. Thing.

On September 27, 2009 at 9:20 am Susan D said...

And I just have to add….
North and Southie. I love it! It says tons of things, like how North managed to get away with a fairly dignified name (nickname?) while Southie’s personality must be just asking for the diminutive. Kind of reminds me of Bridey (Lord Brideshead) in Brideshead Revisited.

On September 27, 2009 at 9:41 am Amy said...

Okay. I have just read all of the comments. Some I agree with, and some I don’t. I wouldn’t mind them meeting at the house for the first time. Maybe the aunt just died, he’s there for the weekend for the funeral, has no idea what to do with the kids, Andie calls to return the checks, and he talks her into taking the kids. That could work.

But I think I like them in the office. I would like to see her have a touch more spunk, maybe when he remembers the tea, she melts a touch, then sees the desk, has the flash backs of wanting to destroy it, changes her mind about the tea, and dumps it on the desk. That would amuse me. Even if she just imagines doing it and ends up holding the cup as the tea gets luke warm. I understand the checks thing. It is completely something I would do, which reading the comments amkes me wonder if I am completely passive agressive.

The only thing that threw me rereading the scene was the mention of Southie since it didn’t really seem to connect to anything. I understood the mother comments though and do not think they should be removed. I see him as being very steeped in tradition and the formal greeting makes sense to me. I do however think that if she was convinced about not taking money from him that she would refuse the ten thousand. (I was a nanny for two new borns and made $400 a week and I made more than most of the other nannies I knew. That is a crap load of cash.) Maybe she specialized in dealing with autistic children and he could refer to the girl in that manner instead of being delusional? Perhaps Aspergers? Just a thought.

I loved it though.

On September 27, 2009 at 10:33 am Ami said...

I have read all but two of your books, and except for Agnes (my favorite heroine, by the way) of “and the Hitman” fame, you seem to have a typical heroine: weak and wishy-washy in the beginning of the story, but comes into her own as the story progresses. That being said, I am okay with Andie as presented because I am sure she will grow and change. The only point that has me irritated with her is the keeping of alimony checks she doesn’t want. That is too weak and her motive too obvious. If she isn’t interested in keeping some connection to him, why not donate them to charity? Since she has to have wanted to maintain some link to North, why not return the checks unopened? Then Will asks her to marry him and Andie feels compelled to see North in person and demand that he stop sending them. Drop her in there, latest check in hand, but get rid of the back story. She can be caught off guard by the sight of him (hello unresolved issues), and he can be worried that now she really will move on. The house and the children work as bait to keep her just a little longer, but he needs to fish properly. I am a teacher, and while we are typically not a flaky bunch, there are a couple of things that can be guaranteed to pull our strings every time: One, we hate when people give up on kids who clearly need help. Two, the chance to spend any time immersed in some tangible aspect of our field. Any history or lit teacher worth the ink on her degree would accept North’s offer in a hurry. That might also show that North has a deeper understanding of Andie than simply recalling her favorite beverage.

On September 27, 2009 at 11:35 am AgTigress said...

Gosh, what a gang of harsh critics! I hope Jenny isn’t sorry she asked!

I read the scene quite comfortably, without feeling that anything was off or unsatisfactory. Had I written it myself, I would simply let it stand till I had finished the whole book in first draft and was getting down to the first global edit, because as Jenny herself says, you can’t really get the beginning sorted till you have finished the whole basic thing.

But what do I know? I don’t even write fiction.

On September 28, 2009 at 6:42 am Micki said...

You’re right, of course. As a non-final draft, the thing is pretty damned good (-:. Sure beats 90 percent of the fiction I read last month.

On September 27, 2009 at 12:22 pm Diane (TT) said...

I enjoyed the scene very much and want to read more. I liked both North and Andie (and I LOVE him calling her Andromeda, for some reason). My impression was that they loved each other but were too trapped in their own heads (evidently in structures built by their moms) to communicate and build something together. Also, if she wanted to leave, he didn’t want to burden her by begging that she stay, because HE’s the one who does things for people, and isn’t used to getting his needs taken care of. And we don’t know how old she is, but if she was younger (I would hope she would’ve been more mature if she was 30 when they were married, but everyone takes different paths), then that’s another reason he would take the caretaker role.

BUT I do think that he should’ve been down to visit. Unless the state is California or Alaska, “the south of the state” is usually less than a day’s drive, so he should have gone – but he can’t stay, for some reason that I hope is more pressing than his mother’s training messing with his priorities. But that would be MORE backstory, not less.

I don’t CARE how much backstory you put in the first scene. I am going to have the book delivered (since there are NO bookstores in this darned town that carry anything beyond textbooks and the most bizarre collection of grocery fiction; some Crusie, but they never got D&G), provide myself with food and probably not get up until I’ve finished it.

I’m interested in the characters already, and plot pacing is just not a big issue for me.

Since you said that you don’t mind about uninformed reader opinions….

On a completely different note, does anyone know if one finishes a phrase with an ellipsis (as opposed to inserting it in the middle, à la Barbara Cartland), does one use 4 dots instead of 3? In honor of National Punctuation Day last week, I feel as if I ought to find out.

On September 27, 2009 at 8:47 pm Sara Darling said...

My understanding is that three dots is for an interrupted sentence that is then continued, and four is indeed the end of a sentence; I believe you’ve got it right.

On September 27, 2009 at 12:33 pm April said...

I liked it. I think? that I got all of it. Andie is unconventional, open minded goes with the flow, is emotional and has a huge heart. North is strict, straight laced, unchanging and unemotional. She loosens him up and he reins her in… polar opposites that are soul mates.
She kept the checks to prove to herself and him she didn’t need him for anything, certainly not money but it was still a connection. She wants to settle down and wants to stop thinking about him so she returns the checks to prove her point to him and herself, then move on, except her heart begs to differ.
He has a situation he has no idea how to deal with.. Kids and craziness, and she is the only person he knows that can deal with kids and craziness, plus it gives him an opportunity to see her again. He really never stopped loving her, thus the checks, the research and the “I didn’t ask for a divorce”.
The only thing is the front office scene. I don’t know what William Morris wallpaper is, I thought it was a person…and horsehair couch? I didn’t like the secretary part, he dismissed her and she still interrupted with the what to drink thing, which was another opportunity to let Andie know he’s thinking about her… he remembered the tea. But it could have been done while she was waiting, he could have told the secretary what to serve and to have it ready. This gives Andie the same indication that he’s thinking about her and the impression he is buttering her up for something. Just a thought.
On a side note I have read and enjoyed your books for years and was delighted to discover recently that you graduated from Wapak, as I did. The Ohio connection in your books was always fun, but even more so now.

On September 27, 2009 at 1:23 pm Diane (TT) said...

Oh, and I agree that you don’t change perfectly good furniture for the sake of change. I bought my sofa in 1994 in MS and have since moved it to 5 different towns (but only 4 different states – NY twice and OH twice, IL and MS once). And at many thousands of dollars apiece, I suppose it is possible for one to switch oriental carpets, but it’s pretty extravagant (unless they got re-sold, I guess).

But if it’s uncomfortable, that’s another matter. I think my sofa needs the insides of its cushions replaced, I just need to a) figure out how that’s done and b) get around to it. But I don’t know about “too hard”. Soft, cushy sofas are very difficult and undignified to extract oneself from.

I’m not sure that “Preview” is working.

On September 27, 2009 at 2:11 pm JulieB said...

Many people have commented on the checks. I think it shows that they still care for one another. She thinks she doesn’t, but her actions say differently. Instead of shredding them, she has them and is going to see him. Even if she only had the most recent one, she still thinks she wants to close the book on that chapter.
North is also saying one thing and yet doing another by not listening to her previous comments about not wanting alimony. Everything doesn’t have to be stark. (But again, I liked the tempo)

On September 27, 2009 at 2:45 pm marly said...

I was hooked at the end of the first sentence. That’s a hoped for result, right? I have no problem with the uncashed checks. Andie was about 25 when the divorce happened. That’s young enough to let your pride refuse alimony, especially since no children are involved. If your very reasonable, very sensible husband offers you a divorce because you seem unhappy rather than fighting dragons (mothers, other family members?) for you, pride may be the only thing holding you together. When a new life opens up after ten years, using the checks seems to be the only excuse to see the ex again. She’s hoping that the chemistry is gone and that he’ll seem like someone she has no interest in anymore. Doubts about the potential fiance will disappear. When she leaves the office it’s clear that there is chemistry and interest, even if neither Andie or North can admit it. Still, they’ve both taken steps to prolong the association and I imagine there’ll be enough peril along the way to show them they’re it for one another. I don’t have a problem with North directing efforts from Columbus, either. I liked him a lot. Sure, he’s clueless about women and children, but I get the feeling you’re going to have him evolve throughout the book. He can’t be absolutely wonderful from the start, or there would never have been a divorce. Luckily, editing isn’t up to me, but I loved the scene and the developments I can sense coming. And the details about the waiting room? Maybe it’s a little like Gabe’s office, but the idea of traditional decor that never changes is just a metaphor, a device that shows Andie that nothing has changed, that even after ten years North seems incapable of growing. My only problem is that publication is so far ahead in the future. What if I get hit by a bus?

On September 27, 2009 at 3:04 pm Melissa Blue said...

Have to agree that I liked North better in this scene than Andie. On top of her reason for going to go see him. I mean she could have mailed him the checks with the note. It has to be more to why she needed to see the whites of his eyes. Maybe she tried to send them to him and they come back with their own little note. The checks become more important and Andie being irritated with him has more to do with NOW than what happened 10 years ago. It’s like icing on the cake. You divorce me and you won’t take back the damn checks.

North gets what he wants, Andie in the office so he can hire her as Nanny. Andie is still conflicted at the end of the scene and hating that stupid desk even more.

We get what we want, a Crusie heroine. And, I snorted at North’s reply, “I mostly write on it.”

So, the problem I see, this scene as it stands is in the wrong POV. North has more to lose if Andie says no. Than Andie does if North refuses to take back the checks.

On September 27, 2009 at 3:37 pm Briana said...

Am I the only person who really hopes they have sex on that desk at some point?

Maybe I should wash out my dirty mind!

On September 27, 2009 at 3:36 pm AgTigress said...

Off-topic: ‘preview’ hasn’t worked here for me for some weeks. Nor do video links (not only on this site, but other websites, too). It is something to do with Internet Explorer and Firefox, because they work all right in Firefox.

Okay, as you were, chaps.

On September 27, 2009 at 4:32 pm DownUnderGal said...

Nope Briana. I’m hoping.

On September 27, 2009 at 4:52 pm Lyn said...

Go, Brianna!
Gabe’s office was a mess. North’s office is something I would love. I did think at first that he’d gone gray since she last saw him, then realized that he was just very pale blond.
I’m not worried. You’re still Crusie.

On September 27, 2009 at 6:01 pm Lindsey said...

I’m always a big fan of your work. Always. With that said, I think the main problem I had was that I got no sense of who Andie was. North tells me she’s different, she’s the person to handle this situation, but I haven’t seen anything that really makes her stand out. If she didn’t want the checks, why didn’t she mail them back right away, return to sender? She says she’s a wanderer, but I didn’t get that sense when she was thinking about their marriage or discussing what it was like 10 years ago. Did she leave because she’s a wanderer?

Also, I’m having trouble getting his character. It’s hard to explain, he just feels vague. Is his flaw that he’s too stable? Is that why she left him? Or is he cold? I just couldn’t get a handle on him. I’m sorry, I wish I could be more clear.

On September 27, 2009 at 6:10 pm Susan said...

If you’ve rewritten it upteen times and it still doesn’t feel right, cut it.

Your gut is trying to tell you something that your head is ignoring.

Get this info across in another scene that’s more organic.

:o )

On September 27, 2009 at 6:56 pm misspiggy don'twannabe said...

I enjoyed it but it was loooong. The situation with the kids seems dangerous and I can’t see him exposing her to that unless he seems baffled by the reports and she’s the only one that he trusts to tell him exactly what is going on.

I can see that the $10,000 per month (she’d be earning) is completely different from the alimony checks – that she doesn’t think she deserves. Although I like the line about his mother chewing the wood for the desk, the rest of the references to her (and Southie) could be what Andie thinks about as she’s driving down to see the kids.

The suggestion about shortening “south part of the state” was a good one.

The fact that she thinks of herself as Andie and he calls her Andromeda is good for me. Part of her conflict would be resolved if she could think of herself as a glorious Andromeda rather than an ordinary Andie.

Ten years is a long time to be apart with so little resolution 5-6 years would be better I think.

Write on!

On September 27, 2009 at 7:24 pm Kay T said...

*Was not convinced about Andie taking the job. Since money did not seem to be important to her, as evidenced by the 10 years of alimony checks. So ending was perplexing.

*There was no urgency to her goal. She should have some pressure to start her new life – Will is waiting for her in NY or she has a specific date or travel plan. The vague “starting a new life” did not do it for me.

*The two paras with North saying “south of the state” and “made me their guardian” were too much telling, stilted, etc. I like the suggestion for making the aunt the kids’ guardian and now North after the aunt died. Two months of not being able to get away from work is better than 3 years or whatever.

On September 27, 2009 at 8:45 pm Nic said...

I’ve thought about this some more.

Are you sure this needs to be set in the office at all? The action is at the house. I suspect you love the desk and love the desk metaphor (I also really like the desk metaphor), but is holding onto it hurting the flow of the story? Is there an important motivational reason he’s not downstate being overwhelmed with the kids and dealing with the quitting Nanny situation when she comes looking for him?

On September 27, 2009 at 8:53 pm Sharon said...

I love the first line. It immediately makes me want to keep reading to find out why the checks are uncashed. I love the dialogue about how she remembers North behind the desk rather than naked. I love the line about North’s blue eyes.

Overall, this feels like a placeholder first scene to me, with a lot of backstory and with repetition within beats, which makes sense if you are in the midst of finding the story and characters and conflict for this book.

I say let the scene rest and move on to the rest of the book. Once you’ve got a full first draft, you’ll know what this first scene needs to do, what internal and external conflicts it needs to introduce, and what pieces of backstory are important to include at the beginning.

If you’re convinced this needs to be the first scene, maybe the key to focusing it is the conflict, which didn’t feel strong enough to sustain a first scene, and I think the reason for that is that Andie’s goal of returning the checks doesn’t have enough oomph to get her through the whole scene. Her motivation to start a new life without any reminders of North can be powerful, but needs something behind it that’s stronger than a maybe wedding with someone she doesn’t seem that into. Start where the trouble starts, as you say, and in this scene, there’s no real trouble for Andie, not something to propel her into the story.

Could you tweak the reason North needs her help to something that’s more out of her control to say no? Could Andie have met and known the parents of the two kids in the haunted house while she was married to North? Could she and the kids’ mom have become friends? Could maybe the aunt that fell from the tower have been the primary guardian, and now that the aunt is dead, the guardianship falls to Andie? And because of all the strange things happening at the house, North is going to be around to help keep everyone safe. Something like that makes it tougher for Andie to say no and move on with a North-free life. And maybe North doesn’t tell her in this scene everything about what’s been going on at that house and with the nannies, and a lot of that information is something she finds out once she gets there, which could add even more conflict and issues with North for keeping that information from her.

Just thoughts. Your story. I love your writing and look forward to all the new books and reissues coming out next year.

On September 27, 2009 at 9:03 pm Izabela said...

I liked. But if the book isn’t about them getting together, I will feel majorly cheated. Do we get to read a bit more?

Oh, yeah, why would she have so many memories of visiting him in the office so that the desk becomes an issue?

A suggestion of pushing aunt from the tower is a bit strong. If there was a hint of this, he should have been there by now.

I liked his answers about the desk.
looking forward to it,
i

On September 27, 2009 at 9:17 pm Donna said...

Another reader’s opinion – the only thing I didn’t like was the secretary. But I suspect we’re going to find out later the secretary’s in love with North and that’s going to cause some conflict. And yes, that’s a heck of a lot of money for a nanny – I made $500/month, course, I only had to deal with crazy parents and 1 child, not ghosts and psychotic children. I perfectly understand her keeping the checks, I could see myself doing that, and finally realizing that they had to go back (not just be shredded) before I truly start a new life – or accept a marriage proposal.

On September 27, 2009 at 10:23 pm Shangrila said...

Okay, Doll. I’ve resisted the urge to gush at you for months now, and sadly, that dam has just broken. I love, love, love your books. My sisters and I reference your characters as if they are “real” people. Frequently. The references and characters in your books have touched my life in ways that I cannot even begin to describe (because you don’t have the rest of your life to read said description, because you have to write me another book!) That said:

I agree with some of my fellow commenters that the opening drags quite a bit until she’s actually engaged in conversation with North. It’s missing the type of internal dialog that made us love Nell immediately when she met Gabe in Fast Women. I’m digging the frustrated vibe between Andie and North, but their exchange left me irritated with both of them. I’m not loving her, and I’m not seeing what she still sees in him.

Is it okay that your readers know immediately that Will Parker (also the name of the hero in Lavyrle Spencer’s fabulous romance Morning Glory, btw) is doomed (like Taylor in Agnes?) If you don’t want that, less wistful noticing on Andie’s part.

I can’t help but notice that Andie isn’t “in trouble”. Neither is North, really. Why the eff didn’t Andi just MAIL the checks back to North? She doesn’t NEED to be there. If he had to sign long-overdue divorce paperwork and he had been sending her support money and she needed him to SIGN so she could marry Will, or if he had her grandmother’s wedding ring in his safe, or if his law agency was handling the legalities of her inheritance, or something (!!!) the reader would understand why she’s in his office in the first place.

I’m am also totally not buying her accepting that job, $10,000.00 or not. If she needed money, she’d have cashed his damn checks. She’s the only one who can think outside the box? Really? No.There needs to be either a link to her personality (she loves kids, has always wanted kids, etc) or her job (she’s a specialist who works with disturbed children, or a social worker, or whatever) or a friendship or obligation to that distant part of the family from when they were married, or whatever to make it a given that she HAS to go look after those kids. Maybe she went to the office because she wants North back, dammit, and is going to do whatever it takes to ingratiate herself to him. I’m not the writer, babe, I don’t know what’s supposed to happen, but I do know that it’s missing some “Crusie-ness”, though maybe that’s what comes when you re-write the first scene after the book is finished?

I love:
Andie/Andromeda
North/Southie
the line about his mother gnawing the trees down
their thoughts surrounding the Rita Coolidge song
and this passage:
“You know the strongest memory I have of you? Sitting right there, behind that desk. You’d think I remember you naked or something, but no, it’s you, staring at me blankly from behind all that walnut. You have no idea how many times I wanted to take an ax to that damn desk.”

North looked down at his desk, frowning.

“I think you hide behind it,” Andie said, sitting back. “I think you use it to keep from getting emotionally involved.”

“Mostly I use it to write on,” North said.

“You know what I mean. It gives you distance.”

“It gives me storage,” North said. “Have you lost your mind?”

His responses there are my first glimpse as to who he is. Would really love to see him be the kind of guy that consistantly says hilariously dry, pragmatic things like that.

Hang in there, Jenny! The truth is that, really? We’ll buy this book. (And) copies for our sisters. <3

On September 28, 2009 at 9:38 am McB said...

Coming in waaay late as I was otherwise occupied over the weekend (okay, I was partying at/recuperating from a wedding reception) and I see you have enough feedback here to keep you occupied (or screaming) for a while. So I’ll just keep in brief.

Is the short bit in the outer office necessary? It had the feeling of starting the story before the story starts, unless there is information the reader will need later?

And I did feel more sympathetic towards North than I did Andi. But again, you might be going somewhere with that later in the book, you might even intend the reader to feel that way. But I did find myself wondering, if she was so bothered by the check and really wanted to cut ties with him, why she didn’t just shred the checks or donate the money to charity or something. Holding on to checks she doesn’t cash for 10 years either means she doesn’t really want to sever all ties with him, or she’s petty enough to mess up his bookkeeping.

On September 28, 2009 at 12:39 pm Gabrielle Charbonnet said...

You’ve gotten a bunch of useful and mostly consistent feedback, so you might not even read down this far. I’ll try to be brief.
What’s great: The basic plot, the basic characters, the characters’ voices, the mechanics of the writing. These all have the brilliant, inimitable Cruise stylistic gift. I too am hungry for Crusie and so wolfed down the sample.
What doesn’t hold up: The initial set-up/premise, her motivations, her strength as a character, each of their character’s consistency. And yes, there’s too much backstory, too much given away. Let us wonder a bit more.
If I were Queen of the Universe, what I would do: Start the scene with Andie and Will going to get their marriage license. Clues: she’s not wearing her engagement ring (scared she’ll lose it or something), was late to meet Will (not making this a priority), this is their second time to go get it, the first time she forgot her birth certificate. A little internal backstory where she admits she’s hesitant–look what happened to her first marriage. But this one will be different? Why, because she’s changed so much! (I would leave out the alimony checks completely.) She used to be unsure and all over the place–now she’s grown up. Then they can’t get their license because North never sent in his signed copy of their divorce papers. Now she’s mad; will track North down and get the papers. This solidifies her resolve to get married. Will is going out of town for almost a month–she will get this done before he comes back.
Then–have North be down there actually dealing with the kids, the hysterical nanny is leaving right in front of us, babbling about ghosts, etc. Backstory of kids. North is fielding calls from the office, crucial case, etc. Everything is chaotic, out of control. He’s desperate. He gets a call from Andie–she’s furious about unsigned divorce papers. He says he’ll sign them if she’ll come do this huge favor for him. Andie met the kids when they were little and remembers them as being fairly cute and somewhat bearable. Not enough to make her want her own, but still–what happened? She remembers something they did together, her and North and the kids. It was fun. Then things went south with North (ha ha) and the kids are loony and that’s what always happens, right? North will not sign papers without this. She decides to go down, tidy up their lives, and come back ready to make a new start with Will.
I feel like you got bogged down with details and cramming everything in because the characters weren’t alive enough to be running the show. They should be running the show, and you should be trying to keep up with them.
Please don’t hate me.

On September 28, 2009 at 2:08 pm Marcia in OK said...

Reader Only question – Why after 10 years (and little/no contact except written but never cashed checks – which makes NO sense to me.) would he think he could offer her this “job”? Why would she consider it? (The 10K salary makes it plausible, but if she really wants to start over – the slow down doesn’t make sense.)

And just another tidbit, after reading all your blogs and essays and books that I could get my hands on, I distinctly remember you repeatedly saying NO PROLOGUES – start the story at the beginning of the action and fill in the rest later – if you really need it, which you usually don’t. Anyway, this beginning feels a bit to me like Action (returning checks? moving on? starting a new life with Kansas City Will? I’m not sure which) with the Prologue mixed in to NOT look like a prologue disclosing all that backstory stuff.

But, please note, I was sucked in and willing to suspend my belief. I’ll read anything Crusie.

On September 28, 2009 at 3:36 pm Vanessa said...

Scanned these comments so apologies if it’s repetitive.

Agree that there’s so much good stuff here, but I think your instinct about you being married to this scene is right on. This info is ALL important (and written so well by you, of course), but you need to CUT it and weave it in elsewhere.

To really grab the reader by the throat, which you are so great at, we need CLEAR motivation and some “have to” on the part of the heroine, it’s obvious North really needs Andie. But her “starting new life” reason isn’t enough for me and “here are TEN YEARS worth of checks” is fishy…like she wants to hurt him or show him. Now, if she were there because she’d never asked for a penny of alimony despite him being rich and needs it now…and they struck up a deal…that’s some motivation.

Finally, I LOVE the idea of a haunted house, crazy kids and fab heroine story, but I also agree we need just tiny hints of what’s to come on that front. You can’t have the threat of a crazy wife wanting to burn the house down right out the gate…you need her in the misty night, banging around the scullery and wailing in the attic. A bit more Gothic, I guess is what I’m saying. Cruise awesome plus contemp Gothic equals SWEET for me as a reader :)

Good luck, you’ll get there, plus mercury is OUT of retro tomorrow!!!

On September 28, 2009 at 7:05 pm Sylvia said...

120K: That’s a lot for a nanny but via an agency? For a millionaire saying “take these kids off my hands completely”? Not so much. That is, most people working as a nanny earn a lot less but they are working on their own (much like a secretary earns $10/hour but you pay $20-$50/hour for an agency temp) and minimal hours (an hour in the morning and four in the afternoon after school).

Having said that, I’m happy that $10k is huge to her at that moment.

I did feel somewhat broadsided by new life – actually, no, not SO new a life, I’m just marrying someone else who I don’t care enough about to even think about in any detail.

On September 28, 2009 at 11:40 pm Jenny said...

I am absolutely going to respond to everything here in another post in a couple of days, so I am not ignoring you. A few quick answers:

Yes, they end up together.

North was given his mother’s maiden name as a surname because that’s the kind of gal his mother is. His brother’s name is Sandford. “Southie” was his nickname as a little kid. This comes out in the next scene. Because this scene already has too much stuff in it and it about to be cut as per editing suggestions above.

$120,000 is big bucks in Ohio. Probably chump change in New York and LA, but big money where I live and where the book is set.

I never realized I had a couch motif going in my books. Huh.

The reason Andie saw so much of the office is that their apartment was in the attic of the Victorian where the office is. She said ungrammatically. This comes out in the next scene. I know, I know, it’s still going to raise questions in this scene. But answered in the next one.

Everything else is about editing, so I’ll talk about all of that when I do the post on that. Which will be a couple of days because I want to get a big chunk of this done first. But you have not commented in vain, I swear.

On September 29, 2009 at 12:48 am Micki said...

Oh, boy, your couches are some of the best couches in literature. Krispy Kreme donuts and the Bet Me couch? I’m feeling light-headed just contemplating them (-:. Yes, you have a couch motif.

On September 29, 2009 at 4:21 am Briana said...

And Faking It with the jukebox….
The big red couch with Quinn and Nick…
Old movies and the couch in Anyone But You….
And the office couch in Fast Women….

Gosh. You DO have a couch motif. I could write my thesis on that. (If I was in school or doing a thesis, which I’m not. But I could. Maybe.)

;-)

On September 29, 2009 at 1:08 pm Meredith B. said...

At any rate an essay. :-) I miss my essay days. *sigh*.

On September 29, 2009 at 3:16 pm Carol said...

$120K is big bucks for a nanny anyplace. I know several millionaires here in LA who pay their nannies more like $80k (bitching the entire time, mind you!).

On September 29, 2009 at 9:29 am Kathleen said...

As someone who works as a bookkeeper to finance her various vices, my first thought is that checks go “stale”, usually after 6 months and cannot be cashed. That said, Andie could be keeping them just because she couldn’t summon up the strength of mind (or action) to deal with the situation. However, it does seem a little over the top that she would actually deliver all of the useless checks back to North. From a practical standpoint, his accountant would have eventually written them off on his books…so it really is just a gesture for her to bring them back. It was mentioned that she didn’t really need the job, since she had the checks…but most of the checks were worthless by that time. Someone also mentioned the concept of a trust…I would think that North would choose something that would provide income for Andie no matter what – especially since he would know her probable reaction to receiving it. A trust or a checking account in her name or something like that would be more believable, as it would be something that she couldn’t get rid of without confronting him.
Wow! This is my first time responding here, although I have been reading your blog for some time. I feel a little nervous about critiquing the work of one of my favorite authors – but I have to say that Andie and North both seemed like believable Crusie characters. And I always love your dialogue!

On September 29, 2009 at 3:09 pm Dayna said...

Oh, dear. I’m a bit late on this one but I just read this. Oh dear, oh dear. I really didn’t like this at all. I don’t like North, he comes across as a manipulative weasel and Andi strikes me as a spineless wuss who held on to the checks so she’d have an excuse to see North again. I Feel that if Andi really wanted to get on with her life, she’d tell North to get stuffed, get off his butt and go check on those kids himself. I didn’t think the characters had any chemistry. Maybe the internet connected me to something different than what everybody else was reading because this really didn’t work for me at all.

On September 29, 2009 at 7:59 pm Jill said...

I liked the thing about the checks and about the checks being their form of communication-at least from Andie’s pov. The paragraph starting with “North sat behind a massive desk” is all of 2 sentences long. Cut it. And the detailed description of the office-not necessary.

Other than that it is totally gush worthy.

On September 29, 2009 at 10:27 pm ruthie said...

Well, it all seems good to me. I like North. Andie is vintage Crusie, which is great. Without knowing what you think is unnecessary, I can’t see anything extraneous. Yeah, I could cut it, if I had to, but I’m-a like.

On September 29, 2009 at 11:35 pm Sheri said...

If North writes her a check every month for ten years and she doesn’t cash them, wouldn’t he know that? I mean, they never clear the bank. I think he would have addressed that issue a long time ago–he is a lawyer, and they like to dot their “i’s” and cross their “t’s” so it’s not likely that this little fact would have passed him by. If you like that whole thing (her trying to be independent and all–I like the part that getting acheck from him every month is a reminder that they were once married and she wants to get rid of that reminder) then I would suggest that North is the one that calls the meeting, ostensibly to discuss the fact that she has never cashed a check from him but in reality it’s so he can get her to go to the house and take care of the kids for him.

I didn’t get into the whole story until she was in the office with him. Don’t care about the outer office or the secretary–not necessary to the story. Need to jump into it a little quicker. Someone else said to start with “Mr. Archer will see you now.” Yeah, that works better. And Kathleen’s idea of a trust–that sounds more like something North would do. I love that idea. and yes, she would have to confront him to get rid of it so she can start her new life without any strings attached. Can’t fall back on North and his money if this relationship fails also.

North needs to have a little more personality. Why did she fall in love with him? because he has blue eyes? She’s a teacher–obviously a caring sort of person. He seems very cold and restrained and I find it difficult seeing him as a sympathetic character. I would rather she ran off with her new boyfriend and they abscomb with the children and go and live in Peru as llama herders than end up with North. Even his name is cold–”North” sounds like the North Pole, the Artic Circle, snow, ice… I love Andi’s name, however–Andromeda–”snort”. Great name!

Ok, going back into lurkdom.

On September 30, 2009 at 9:24 am Jo Walton said...

She comes over well. He comes over well. The desk is brilliant. The thing that seems off to me is her agreeing. The only bit where I was at a distance and thinking “well, I suppose it needs this to get the plot started” was with the total implausibility of the situation with the kids. If it needs editing, it’s around that. The emotional pitch is fine, but there’s something there on the “what universe is this” with reference to the kids and the job and their level of reality compared to the absolute reality of the couch and the desk and the returned alimony.

Writer, reader, fan, giver of feedback, could also send brownies.

On September 30, 2009 at 12:07 pm McB said...

I like North. Yeah, he comes cross as a little stuffy and socially awkward, but it’s endearing. The stuffiness is probably a defense mechanism against having to take care of everyone else. I think he’s probably been trying to take care of Andi, too, because that’s how he shows he cares. It reminds me of Shane taking care of Anges’ “to do” list. So I like North.

On September 30, 2009 at 12:18 pm Kathryn said...

I want to promise I’m not a blatant kiss-ass before I say, “I WANT THIS BOOK.” I haven’t read all of the above comments but I would like to say that without OVER-analysis of 1 scene which is meant to hook interest – and boy did that work – here’s what I have gleaned.
Andie has come to get some kind of closure. The checks are her vehicle for that. They obviously have very different personality and points of view (The Cinderella Deal) but they came together for some reason at some time. Things obviously fell apart. (Mothers? Welcome to Temptation controlling, dyanasty driven mothers?) And I’m getting the feeling that Andie may like change for change’s sake (like me) so it doesn’t matter practically that the stuff is good stuff that will last forever, she just wants to see that her presence has made a difference in his life. Which she clearly says when she’s like, this is how things were before me and this how they are long after I left. Maybe she thought she could be that change in their earlier relationship, I don’t know. But I do know that while it’s great to have a independent partner, most people (especially we women) want to feel needed, and if she didn’t feel that before, she may not be able to resist (obviously wan’t able to resist) it now.
I do think it’s scary that the kids appear to be troubled and a woman died. That would make me pause for more info before I agreed and I’d definitely be taking someone with me. (Is there a big protective dog or brother like Davey?) :) Anwyay, I can’t wait. And as someone who is sensitive to criticism, may I just say that you have XL balls of steel for putting this on here and then reading the comments. Whoa. I’d be scheduling treatment.

On September 30, 2009 at 3:16 pm inkgrrl said...

You’ve probably already finished the rewrite, but after having read through all the other comments, What Toni Said.

On September 30, 2009 at 3:56 pm Jade said...

Haven’t read many of the comments, but will later–working (?) now. My response (on a quick read):
I love it. Think it’s brilliant. Can’t wait for the rest. It does *almost* seem a little long, but it rewards the reader in the end–just in time. So, fabulous!

And back to work…

On September 30, 2009 at 4:43 pm D. said...

Okay, there’ve been a lot of valid points made and I won’t bother to rehash them. I will ask just one small, teensy-tiny, little thing. Would it be out of line if I requested a Crusie heroine who’s catch phrase was something different than, “Oh, just hell.”? Please? It has a tendency to make them all seem like the same woman to me. Don’t get me wrong, I like that woman. I just think it would be nice to get to know another woman.

*hangs head at her own presumptuousness*

On September 30, 2009 at 9:40 pm McB said...

North feels out of his element with the kids. I think he genuinely cares and fears he would just make it worse because he knows he isn’t good at that stuff. He knows that what’s been tried so far was wrong. He knows this is an unconventional problem which isn’t something he understands. But unconventional is right up Andi’s alley AND he can help her too. Yes he’s managing people but it’s what he knows and how he deals.

Andi is likeable but a bit flaky. I wonder, though if that isn’t rebeling against North’s life? I think he knows he needs her but can’t be what she wants. And maybe Andi doesn’t know what that is.

And we are all too involved in the lives of two fictional people
we have only met for one chapter. Crusie, sounds like you have another winner.

On October 1, 2009 at 11:32 am Victoria said...

To cut words, I’d suggest loosing the secretary and have North be the one to intiate contact with Andie and ask her for her help. Andie would agree to the meeting through simple curiosity. “Tell me why you need my help now. You never did before.”

I like the uncashed alimony checks but have her bring those along as an “I meant it when I told you and wrote you and had my lawyer tell you not to send them.” It gives a nice bit of each not being over the other, even if they think they are. I see the alimony checks as a weird and twisted form of sending roses to a loved one who immediately presses/dries them for sentimental reasons. Then there is the obstinate perverseness of “You didn’t need me, and now I don’t need you or your money. So there.”

They may be divorced, but they’re not over each other.

On October 1, 2009 at 12:33 pm Carol Anne said...

Oh, I like the “weird and twisted form of sending roses to a loved one…. presses/dries them for sentimental reasons” thought. Whatever is decided about the cheques….like the premise of a cheque every month and she saves them. An instructor keeps saying “sometimes you have to kill your little darlings” to keep the story going forward. Perhaps the first chapter has been written/rewritten so many times as there are a few “darlings” and hard to cut from the scene. As many have stated – now, we are invested in two characters who are not finished with each other. Whatever is written will be read and re-read many times. Aren’t Jenny’s books – re-reads! Last comment on this subject. I’m waiting for the book. You know it will be worth it.

On October 1, 2009 at 8:29 pm Cori said...

Okay, I feel like a total geek typing this out but I finally figured out what was bugging me about the alimony checks that were never cashed. (I know.. they bother just about everyone on this thread as far as I can tell and you’re probably damned tired of hearing about it. Sorry.)

Besides my rather mercenary-inability to understand why anyone would fail to take advantage of money that’s been (theoretically) duly awarded, there’s also the fact that alimony is very much taxable and reported by both sides. If she tells the IRS that she received all of these checks from North and pays the tax on them but never actually cashes them, she’s an idiot. And if not, the IRS would have been very unhappy to see North’s returns show he’s sent all this cash to her over the years without her saying anything to them. (North strikes me as the type to dutifully note the alimony paid on his return.)

On October 1, 2009 at 8:38 pm MJ said...

Isn’t it cool that for many years these people were living only in your head, and now they’re thisclose to living in the world?

On October 6, 2009 at 9:50 pm Sharon Bates said...

the entire idea of these children being in this house after a death and a reporting of ghosts and stra nge happenings is not plausible-the state would be notified SO quickly! Even tho North is busy, he would be required to do his legal duty to these children-and sending down an ex-wife doesn’t do the job. Neither of these characters are sounding professional-he is shirking his duty as guardian and she doesn’t know what she wants for a job or a husband. The children can not be this bad or no one in their right mind would say “”Yes ” to an ex-husbands plea-even with 10 thousand dollars thrown in. The money seems to be a non-issue. If she needed money, why didn’t she cash the checks? Why does money seem important now? He sounds like a user of women and she looks weak and fickle. Keep the desk and get rid of the ghosts-no Scoobie-Doo in Crusie Land!!

On October 7, 2009 at 11:35 am Sharon Bates said...

I thought of the character North last night and realized this morning that I lived with him! My husband and North are so similar-true “take charge guys”. They have no sense of humor and can not think emotionally. Their life is ruled buy lists-get a degree-check, get a job-check, get a house-check, get a wife-check. Once the thing is acquired they move on to the next problem or thing needed.They see a problem, think about a solution and decide to throw either money or people at it -sometimes both. He would not have divorced Ande -agreed to a separation maybe -and would send her money along with typed letters from the secretary asking about her job, state of health,etc. He would never have a thought that someone would want to divorce him-he does every thing RIGHT and on time -his entire life, home and business is planned and “written in stone”.
Ande has left him for 3 months but she doesn’t want a divorce-she wants him to put her at the top of his list-and to think of her as something he can not live with out. Obviously, the separation has not worked so she has come back to try again-she has a plan that involves getting him away from that desk, his office , his demanding family and all those lists. But first, she has to get his attention…

On October 14, 2009 at 12:13 am Marta said...

I needed to know North’s occupation upfront. Andie sitting in his ‘reception room’ forced me to waste attention looking for clues to his job. If I’d known it was an attorney’s office Andie was sitting in, the secretary’s “He’s really very nice” comment would have made perfect sense. But, we don’t find out he’s an attorney until Andie’s crack about letting his mother raise another generation of lawyers.

After that, though, the secrectary’s comments seemed out of synch. Telling Andie “Mr. North will see you now” means North cued the sec to bring Andie in, so why does the sec say “Miss Martin is here” like he doesn’t know? Also, no admin at that level would break in on a conversation between boss and client to ask if they want refreshments. So, I’d cut the secretary out once North’s office door opens.

While knowing North’s an attorney makes the “He’s really very nice,” comment fit, I’m stumbling over Andie’s comments before and after it. They seem a little venemous for the circumstances we’re given. I kept waiting for North to reveal his ‘not nice’ side. When that didn’t happen, it put a bit of whiny negative spin on Andie for me.

Loved the desk riff. He thinks storage, she thinks symbolism. And, North’s mother gnawing down the trees to make it was priceless.

The alimony checks work for me, too, as a lingering connection between two people not ready to let go. The picture I got of their marriage was one huge failure to communicate underscored by each believing the other wanted the divorce.

The who-called-who exchange didn’t work so well for me. I assumed the intent was to show North being controlling and Andie standing firm, but he was so nice it made her seem a little on the petulant side.

My only other quibble is with the children. North says Alice had a psychotic episode and hallucinates, and the most he’s done is send nannies? I don’t buy that, and I don’t see Andie buying it. She’s a teacher. Why didn’t she ask if he’d called in a psychiatrist?

That’s all the nitpicking I have. I can’t believe we have to wait another year to read the whole thing, but I’m glad it’s coming out in October.

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