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	<description>More than you ever wanted to hear from Bestselling Author Jenny Crusie.</description>
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		<title>By: domingo benavides</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-157836</link>
		<dc:creator>domingo benavides</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 11:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No idea who you are or what you write, and as an editor of 30 years I agree with most of what your rant covers, but a copyeditor who changes your &quot;insure&quot; to &quot;ensure&quot; when it&#039;s necessary is doing you a favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No idea who you are or what you write, and as an editor of 30 years I agree with most of what your rant covers, but a copyeditor who changes your &#8220;insure&#8221; to &#8220;ensure&#8221; when it&#8217;s necessary is doing you a favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica Week</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-128632</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica Week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 02:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oooooooh my! So it&#039;s true...I have often wondered if authors wanted to poke copy editors in the eye. Yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oooooooh my! So it&#8217;s true&#8230;I have often wondered if authors wanted to poke copy editors in the eye. Yikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-128606</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 21:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But...what IS a miner&#039;s had?? I don&#039;t get it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But&#8230;what IS a miner&#8217;s had?? I don&#8217;t get it either.</p>
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		<title>By: SnarkMaiden</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-128317</link>
		<dc:creator>SnarkMaiden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 15:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>y&#039;know, it would be pretty clear from a title like Copy Editor Rant that it wasn&#039;t going to tell you anything about the date of the next book. You can&#039;t complain it was false advertising - you just got interested, chose to read it and didn&#039;t like it. As a reader, if you didn&#039;t want to know about it, why didn&#039;t you stop reading instead of complaining that the author to correspond to your expectations *when you already knew by your own admission that she would air issues*?

Do you know any ways of making tedious copy-editing-editing better? Please share them. As an editor I have to deal with copy-editing that can be anything from helpful to infuriating and I&#039;d love to know how to improve it. 

And, actually, you *can* change the way you feel about things; it&#039;s the basis of therapy and helpful conversations with friends. Sometimes it&#039;s venting, sometimes it&#039;s coming to a new understanding; often it&#039;s growth. There&#039;s a scene in pretty much every Crusie book that shows it happening (in Bet Me, when both Min and Cal are shown by friends how the other one feels about the bet) and it&#039;s part of what makes them such great books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>y&#8217;know, it would be pretty clear from a title like Copy Editor Rant that it wasn&#8217;t going to tell you anything about the date of the next book. You can&#8217;t complain it was false advertising &#8211; you just got interested, chose to read it and didn&#8217;t like it. As a reader, if you didn&#8217;t want to know about it, why didn&#8217;t you stop reading instead of complaining that the author to correspond to your expectations *when you already knew by your own admission that she would air issues*?</p>
<p>Do you know any ways of making tedious copy-editing-editing better? Please share them. As an editor I have to deal with copy-editing that can be anything from helpful to infuriating and I&#8217;d love to know how to improve it. </p>
<p>And, actually, you *can* change the way you feel about things; it&#8217;s the basis of therapy and helpful conversations with friends. Sometimes it&#8217;s venting, sometimes it&#8217;s coming to a new understanding; often it&#8217;s growth. There&#8217;s a scene in pretty much every Crusie book that shows it happening (in Bet Me, when both Min and Cal are shown by friends how the other one feels about the bet) and it&#8217;s part of what makes them such great books.</p>
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		<title>By: Ernest Bywater</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-128290</link>
		<dc:creator>Ernest Bywater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you should inform the copy editor that it&#039;s YOUR book and YOUR writing. BTW the word army is used when speaking about armies in general, even by military people; but when speaking about a specific military force, like the one they are in, it is ALWAYS the Army with a capital &#039;A&#039; is it is now a pronoun - and it doesn&#039;t matter which country&#039;s military force is under discussion.

You may also wish to tell her that the Chicago style manual is the style in Chicago, but that is NOT the style all over the world. I&#039;ve noticed that different countries and regions have style variations, even within the USA. A writer from Maine has a different style to a Californian or a Texan writer.

After reading this I&#039;m not so sure I want to go from being a small time author in electronic format to a big time author in print, as I&#039;m not sure I could handle such hassles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you should inform the copy editor that it&#8217;s YOUR book and YOUR writing. BTW the word army is used when speaking about armies in general, even by military people; but when speaking about a specific military force, like the one they are in, it is ALWAYS the Army with a capital &#8216;A&#8217; is it is now a pronoun &#8211; and it doesn&#8217;t matter which country&#8217;s military force is under discussion.</p>
<p>You may also wish to tell her that the Chicago style manual is the style in Chicago, but that is NOT the style all over the world. I&#8217;ve noticed that different countries and regions have style variations, even within the USA. A writer from Maine has a different style to a Californian or a Texan writer.</p>
<p>After reading this I&#8217;m not so sure I want to go from being a small time author in electronic format to a big time author in print, as I&#8217;m not sure I could handle such hassles.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-128054</link>
		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jul 2009 08:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow,now I can breath easier knowing I can tell the editor to shove off if they change my book too much,lol.Love you Jenny I&#039;m glad to see someone stand up for what they want and not for what others want.And p.s. if you ever need me to throw a monkey at someone I am here for you. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow,now I can breath easier knowing I can tell the editor to shove off if they change my book too much,lol.Love you Jenny I&#8217;m glad to see someone stand up for what they want and not for what others want.And p.s. if you ever need me to throw a monkey at someone I am here for you. <img src='http://www.arghink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: London Mabel</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127941</link>
		<dc:creator>London Mabel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 06:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Teaching Assistants make this mistake when grading papers too. Used to make my monkey crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Teaching Assistants make this mistake when grading papers too. Used to make my monkey crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: ruthie</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127855</link>
		<dc:creator>ruthie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in the dark ages (as opposed to the Dark Ages), when I worked in corporate America, I taught an editing course for managers.  The first lesson was how NOT to edit, i.e., you don&#039;t need to make it sound like you wrote it.  Ahem.  I threatened them with having to write their own version of anything they made frivilous (speaking kindly) edits to.  It took some of them a while to realize that they didn&#039;t have time to be managers and write everyone&#039;s letters, reports, memos etc., too.
In fiction, dialogue is sacred.  It shows character, as you so rightly commented.  It&#039;s hard for some people to realize that.  Always has been, always will be.  But is this St. Martin&#039;s???  What are they thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in the dark ages (as opposed to the Dark Ages), when I worked in corporate America, I taught an editing course for managers.  The first lesson was how NOT to edit, i.e., you don&#8217;t need to make it sound like you wrote it.  Ahem.  I threatened them with having to write their own version of anything they made frivilous (speaking kindly) edits to.  It took some of them a while to realize that they didn&#8217;t have time to be managers and write everyone&#8217;s letters, reports, memos etc., too.<br />
In fiction, dialogue is sacred.  It shows character, as you so rightly commented.  It&#8217;s hard for some people to realize that.  Always has been, always will be.  But is this St. Martin&#8217;s???  What are they thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have learned so much about writing and publishing thanks to Jenny and her reader/writers. Please refrain from any thought of censoring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have learned so much about writing and publishing thanks to Jenny and her reader/writers. Please refrain from any thought of censoring!</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127751</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a living language.  It used to be that ain&#039;t was proper English.  And double, triple or quaduple negative meant HELL, NO! And was standard English.  

But on the other hand, before the printing press, it was not uncommon to see the same word spelled several different ways.   So may be printing presses and copy editors and prissy rule makers aren&#039;t always such a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a living language.  It used to be that ain&#8217;t was proper English.  And double, triple or quaduple negative meant HELL, NO! And was standard English.  </p>
<p>But on the other hand, before the printing press, it was not uncommon to see the same word spelled several different ways.   So may be printing presses and copy editors and prissy rule makers aren&#8217;t always such a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackie</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127749</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can under stand that.  But Jenny isn&#039;t writing a scientific paper  or legal brief.  I&#039;m sure she would accept the correction there.  I know I would.  And she might expect the correction or even do it the other way if her character lived in Canada.  I think the context she&#039;s working in is southern Ohio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can under stand that.  But Jenny isn&#8217;t writing a scientific paper  or legal brief.  I&#8217;m sure she would accept the correction there.  I know I would.  And she might expect the correction or even do it the other way if her character lived in Canada.  I think the context she&#8217;s working in is southern Ohio.</p>
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		<title>By: CrankyOtter</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127717</link>
		<dc:creator>CrankyOtter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, I love your rants!  Of course I like ranting too.  I rant, get it out of my system and get on with my life.  It gets me settled down faster if I vent the steam.  And yours are always good entertainment for me.  I&#039;d read a whole blog of just rants if I thought my blood pressure could handle it.

To all of the readers who are so sure that insure and ensure have distinct meanings, I challenge you to find where it says so in an American dictionary.  I&#039;ve looked it up and asked other people multiple times and never got any clarity before the comments in this blog post.  Most people I know use them interchangably and, due to the Ensure vitamin drink for seniors, usually choose insure.  Until reading this post, I had never spoken to anyone who thought there was a difference, and I&#039;ve asked.  Of course now that one knows, one would have to choose correctly or go with &quot;make sure&quot; as someone wisely suggested.  So to get it right: insure is to buy a policy against potential harm and ensure is to make sure something happens?

Finally, to all you copy editors out there: please tell all the other copy editors that adverse does not equal averse.  I am averse to the copy editors&#039; adverse changes to characters&#039; voices.  Roughly 50% of the romance novels using adverse use it incorrectly and it tweaks my very last nerve.  I&#039;ll just stay right away from effect and affect, which engineers can&#039;t seem to get right to save their lives or their assertions.  Feel free to copy edit this entry at will because I&#039;m sure it&#039;s a nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, I love your rants!  Of course I like ranting too.  I rant, get it out of my system and get on with my life.  It gets me settled down faster if I vent the steam.  And yours are always good entertainment for me.  I&#8217;d read a whole blog of just rants if I thought my blood pressure could handle it.</p>
<p>To all of the readers who are so sure that insure and ensure have distinct meanings, I challenge you to find where it says so in an American dictionary.  I&#8217;ve looked it up and asked other people multiple times and never got any clarity before the comments in this blog post.  Most people I know use them interchangably and, due to the Ensure vitamin drink for seniors, usually choose insure.  Until reading this post, I had never spoken to anyone who thought there was a difference, and I&#8217;ve asked.  Of course now that one knows, one would have to choose correctly or go with &#8220;make sure&#8221; as someone wisely suggested.  So to get it right: insure is to buy a policy against potential harm and ensure is to make sure something happens?</p>
<p>Finally, to all you copy editors out there: please tell all the other copy editors that adverse does not equal averse.  I am averse to the copy editors&#8217; adverse changes to characters&#8217; voices.  Roughly 50% of the romance novels using adverse use it incorrectly and it tweaks my very last nerve.  I&#8217;ll just stay right away from effect and affect, which engineers can&#8217;t seem to get right to save their lives or their assertions.  Feel free to copy edit this entry at will because I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s a nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: Gail</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127704</link>
		<dc:creator>Gail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eek! Anyone who&#039;d change “Maybe he wasn’t as harmless as they’d thought” to
“Maybe he wasn’t so harmless as they’d thought” has a complete tin ear and shouldn&#039;t be allowed anywhere near a bestselling fiction writer&#039;s manuscript!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eek! Anyone who&#8217;d change “Maybe he wasn’t as harmless as they’d thought” to<br />
“Maybe he wasn’t so harmless as they’d thought” has a complete tin ear and shouldn&#8217;t be allowed anywhere near a bestselling fiction writer&#8217;s manuscript!</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 18:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor baby. 

No, sorry, I was trying to see how the CE did it, if she had accidentally done a search &amp; replace as for so, it would explain a lot. Which would mean she didn&#039;t mean to make you crazy for 144 pages.

I think your idea about the post its is the best idea. I&#039;m so sorry you have to go through this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor baby. </p>
<p>No, sorry, I was trying to see how the CE did it, if she had accidentally done a search &amp; replace as for so, it would explain a lot. Which would mean she didn&#8217;t mean to make you crazy for 144 pages.</p>
<p>I think your idea about the post its is the best idea. I&#8217;m so sorry you have to go through this.</p>
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		<title>By: Adrianne</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127695</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 14:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this. I am currently studying to become (hopefully) some kind of editor and copy-editing has me a little confused. It&#039;s great to see the other side of the arguement. When you have teachers yelling at you about verb use and author voice but have no actual feedback it hurts. I love your work - and your rants - and wil just have to strive to be an editor who pays attention to what is important. 
Thank you Jenny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this. I am currently studying to become (hopefully) some kind of editor and copy-editing has me a little confused. It&#8217;s great to see the other side of the arguement. When you have teachers yelling at you about verb use and author voice but have no actual feedback it hurts. I love your work &#8211; and your rants &#8211; and wil just have to strive to be an editor who pays attention to what is important.<br />
Thank you Jenny.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127679</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good old paper copy with a red pencil, Bridget.  And I do the same.  
Don&#039;t even think about a universal replace.  I had to go lie down when I read that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good old paper copy with a red pencil, Bridget.  And I do the same.<br />
Don&#8217;t even think about a universal replace.  I had to go lie down when I read that.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127667</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never seen anyone make one word of copy editor...?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen anyone make one word of copy editor&#8230;?</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127664</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 02:04:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(and somehow I just screwed up completely!)

back to the last post...

I was a proofreader and a CE for over fifteen years and this person is not doing their job correctly. My professor taught us that any time you had to make the same correction more than three times, you queried the author. You asked them why and you cited your arguments on the other side.

Example: Ms. Crusie, I noticed you use ensure and insure interchangeably. My OED says they are not synomyms. Are you using a different reference?

Ms. Crusie to CE:  Yes. Don&#039;t change it.

And you do it that way because CEs are underpaid and they are cheaper than the author. YOU DON&quot;T MAKE MORE WORK FOR THE AUTHOR. It is the author&#039;s book and the author gets final say for anything that&#039;s questionable.

The author does not get to use their for there. That&#039;s wrong. But anything that&#039;s style, author&#039;s call.

Now, in the CE&#039;s defense. This is not an easy job. There are writers who think their every word is gospel and I wasn&#039;t even editing fiction. The CE speaks for the reader who is coming new to this book. The CE points out what is rough or confusing or misspelled. 

The most important thing for both writer and CE is does it make the book better? 

For all of you who are thinking that on your first book, you too will get a stet stamp, think again. A good copy editor/proofreader keeps you from making a fool of yourself. She doesn&#039;t let you send someone to the Episcopal chapel in England. He doesn&#039;t let you use faze for phase (or insure for ensure :) ).

She lets you know that the puppy in chapter two is now a kitten in chapter twelve. Or that George became Gerard somewhere around page 116.

Jenny, quick question. Do the copyeditors work on digital or hard copy? Are these changes possibly a universal replace? I&#039;m thinking of the &quot;as&quot; to &quot;so&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(and somehow I just screwed up completely!)</p>
<p>back to the last post&#8230;</p>
<p>I was a proofreader and a CE for over fifteen years and this person is not doing their job correctly. My professor taught us that any time you had to make the same correction more than three times, you queried the author. You asked them why and you cited your arguments on the other side.</p>
<p>Example: Ms. Crusie, I noticed you use ensure and insure interchangeably. My OED says they are not synomyms. Are you using a different reference?</p>
<p>Ms. Crusie to CE:  Yes. Don&#8217;t change it.</p>
<p>And you do it that way because CEs are underpaid and they are cheaper than the author. YOU DON&#8221;T MAKE MORE WORK FOR THE AUTHOR. It is the author&#8217;s book and the author gets final say for anything that&#8217;s questionable.</p>
<p>The author does not get to use their for there. That&#8217;s wrong. But anything that&#8217;s style, author&#8217;s call.</p>
<p>Now, in the CE&#8217;s defense. This is not an easy job. There are writers who think their every word is gospel and I wasn&#8217;t even editing fiction. The CE speaks for the reader who is coming new to this book. The CE points out what is rough or confusing or misspelled. </p>
<p>The most important thing for both writer and CE is does it make the book better? </p>
<p>For all of you who are thinking that on your first book, you too will get a stet stamp, think again. A good copy editor/proofreader keeps you from making a fool of yourself. She doesn&#8217;t let you send someone to the Episcopal chapel in England. He doesn&#8217;t let you use faze for phase (or insure for ensure <img src='http://www.arghink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  ).</p>
<p>She lets you know that the puppy in chapter two is now a kitten in chapter twelve. Or that George became Gerard somewhere around page 116.</p>
<p>Jenny, quick question. Do the copyeditors work on digital or hard copy? Are these changes possibly a universal replace? I&#8217;m thinking of the &#8220;as&#8221; to &#8220;so&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bridget</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127663</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A rant is a rant. Not just your blog but anyone&#039;s blog. I call up my sister and sometimes my college roommate and do the exact same thing. But I think it&#039;s more civilized to do it the way you&#039;re doing it. I can&#039;t always rant to my sister about family and I can&#039;t rant to my college roommate about mutual friends because sometimes I am going to be angry and hurtful. If I blogged to the outside world, no one would know who I was talking about.

So no, I don&#039;t think you went over the line.

Now back to the original subject. I have been a proofreader and a CE and this person is not doing their job correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A rant is a rant. Not just your blog but anyone&#8217;s blog. I call up my sister and sometimes my college roommate and do the exact same thing. But I think it&#8217;s more civilized to do it the way you&#8217;re doing it. I can&#8217;t always rant to my sister about family and I can&#8217;t rant to my college roommate about mutual friends because sometimes I am going to be angry and hurtful. If I blogged to the outside world, no one would know who I was talking about.</p>
<p>So no, I don&#8217;t think you went over the line.</p>
<p>Now back to the original subject. I have been a proofreader and a CE and this person is not doing their job correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: CrankyOtter</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2009/06/18/copy-editor-rant/#comment-127660</link>
		<dc:creator>CrankyOtter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ditto on the stumble</description>
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