Not Coming To A Publication Near You . . .
Through Salon’s Broadsheet, originally from Copyranter, I found two French safe sex ads, one for women and one for men, that I keep going back to because they’re pretty and thought-provoking, like a starlet working a good cause. (They’re Not Safe for Work, so I’ll put them after the jump.)
First, they’re beautiful in a children’s-book-illustration kind of way, very dreamy and fun with overtones of danger, but they’re definitely R-rated. The juxtaposition of the style and the NSF content make for look-again pictures, so that’s a good ad.
Then the crowded details make you stay there once you get there (as in “how many breasts can you find in the picture?”), especially the play-on-images-instead-of-words (or as Catherine Price of Broadsheet put it, “I will never look at a sea turtle the same way again”). I’m still trying to figure out if that’s a cow butt in the man’s illustration. And if you ask me, there are way too many penises in the woman’s ad and not nearly enough tongues, although she still looks delighted. Well, it’s a phallocentric world we live in. Another puzzler: there’s only one face in these illustrations besides those of the two protagonists, and it’s in the man’s illustration. Why? I’m not complaining, I’m just wondering.
Third, they’re very narrative in that the central characters are moving through a landscape, clearly active, over the tag, “Explore. Just Protect Yourself.” That’s goal and conflict, just begging you to look at the picture and tell yourself a story. Not too many safe sex ads work as erotica, too, so that keeps you looking.
Fourth, I’m still trying to figure out why the woman is deep sea diving and the man is traveling through space. For awhile, I tried to tie it to sex, but I think it’s more that men go out and conquer new worlds (thrusting through the cosmos maybe) and women explore their deeper emotions. Maybe. Or maybe it’s just there were more phallic symbols underwater and more vaginal symbols in space. Nah, there’s a subtext there, I just haven’t puzzled it out yet.
Then there’s the obvious: these couldn’t be published here without screaming, tearing of clothes (non-sexual) and demands for censorship. These illustrations show sex to be a great adventure, something fun and fascinating and interesting which I think makes them powerful. Just as we’ve gotten so used to our government lying to us that we don’t trust anything they say anymore (FISA, anybody?), I think our Reefer-Madness approach to sex education has created a credibility gap that we can’t afford. These ads don’t say “sex is bad, don’t do it,” which half of all teens will ignore anyway even in the face of the ridiculously ineffective and expensive abstinence programs we’ve thrown at them, they say “yes, sex is a whole new world to explore, but you don’t know what’s lurking in all the excitement, so be careful out there.” Which is so smart. And possibly even effective. That’s the kicker, I don’t know how effective they’d be. But they do tie condoms to excitement and exploration so maybe they shift perception and make condoms cool.
But the thing that really got me is that, to my eye, the picture of the woman’s adventure is shockingly explicit whereas the picture of the man’s exploration could be an illustration in Psychology Today. That tells me how we’ve shrouded men’s naked bodies while we’ve used naked women to sell damn near everything. I know, I know, that’s been obvious in movies for decades, but I consider myself pretty open-minded, and I looked at the woman’s illustration and thought, “Whoa,” and at the man’s illustration and thought, “Ordinary stuff.” I’ve decided I’m all for it. Anything that demystifies the penis is good for our phallocentric culture. Or as the protagonist of The Bell Jar wrote, when her boyfriend exposed himself to her, all she could think of was a turkey neck and giblets. Or an octopus with a bad thyroid.
Or maybe they’re just an R-rated picture game. How many breasts can you find in outer space?
And watch out for those sea turtles.
Is it just me, or does there seem to be a more extensive racial representation in the women’s ad than in the men’s?
I have a live reef saltwater aquarium. I’ve always referred to the finger leather coral as the penis coral. Not only are the fingers phallic in and of themselves, but when the polyps are out, each finger triples in size. It just begs for the comparison.
These illustrations are amazing and clever with humor both obvious and more sly. I found the homoerotic representation in the woman’s ad, but am still searching for it in the man’s ad and hope that it’s included since protection is necessary in same-sex relationships, too.
The only thing that bothers me is that the face on the octopus looks too child-like.
Great ads and a great message.
There’s a face on the octopus?
The face in the guy’s illustration looked child-like to me, but I figured I was being oversensitive.
I’m still not seeing the face on the octopus. Probably still distracted by those arms . . .
Good thing you marked the ads for “man” and “woman” because the man in the first one does not look very masculine to me.
And the face is on the smaller grey octopus above the condom.
I found the homoerotic representation in the woman’s ad, but am still searching for it in the man’s ad
After reading your comment, I looked more closely at the woman’s ad, but couldn’t see it. And why would two women need to use condoms? Obviously lesbians (and bisexual women engaging in sex with women) still need to think about safe sex, but the picture features a women protected by a condom, so … Maybe I’m shockingly naive and just don’t know about the fun things that lesbians can do with condoms.
As far as the man’s ad is concerned, I thought at least a couple of the objects might be bottoms with a hint of an anus in the middle.
I’m still trying to figure out why the woman is deep sea diving and the man is traveling through space.
I wonder if the women being in water has anything to do with Helene Cixous: “for Cixous “water is the feminine element par excellence: the closure of the mythical world contains and reflects the comforting security of the mother’s womb. It is within this space that Cixous’s speaking subject is free to move from one subject position to another, or to merge oceanically within the world” (from here).
Or perhaps the watery setting, and particularly the octopus, are a homage to tentacle hentai.
Could the outer space subtext have anything to do with the amount of thrust required for a rocket to achieve lift off?
Bother. I think my comment’s gone into moderation due to having two hyperlinks.
Nope, it was in the spam folder. I got you out, but thank god you were on the first page. There are 3,457 spam comments in there now, so there was a limit as to how far I’d search for you.
The racial representation does seem to be a lot more varied in the woman’s ad. Since I’m pretty sure they were done by the same person, I’m guessing it was more of a contrast issue, darker hues not showing up against the night sky. The mid-range of the water let them go both dark and light. I still see a lot of variation in skin tones in the guy’s ad.
But he is really androgynous.
I agree, Laura, that there probably isn’t any point in convincing women to use phallic condoms in same sex relationships, but there’s the dental dam (do people still use those? did they ever?) Of course, I also don’t see why men need condoms to deal with breasts. I’m assuming it’s just a total package deal.
Also, I blew up the octopus above the condom and that’s not a face, it’s just veining. If I can upload it here, I will.
Interesting. While I agree that there are a lot of phalluses ramping around madly in the ‘female’ advert, I would not really describe the other as ‘less graphic’. It has lots of breasts and mouths/tongues, certainly, but also a goodly number of vulvas. A vulva is just naturally less in-yer-face than a penis. So to speak.
The images belong to a familiar tradition of French/Belgian erotic art going back into the 19th century. I think that they are probably quite effective adverts, though I belong to a generation that could never be persuaded that a condom might be ‘cool’. Unfortunately, it is important to make the beastly things seem cool in today’s sexual climate, and this kind of image seems more likely to achieve that than a lot of plodding, po-faced stress on ‘danger’. Youth embraces danger.
“That’s not a face, it’s just veining” seems like an incredibly appropriate comment for this thread.
FWIW, I think the Daily Mail would have screaming heart failure if those ads were used in the UK. We’re not that European…
Thanks for sharing these. I hold a degree in illustration and so the ads are right up my alley, so to speak.
I think the sub-texts for the environments are very basic. Cosmos equals origin of life. Ocean equals origin of life on earth. The cosmos environment also looks a bit like those conception videos.
Elementally speaking, Air & Fire are considered masculine and Earth and Water are considered feminine, so the ads fall in line, there.
Both the male and female figures look like elves or sprites, following the illustrative tradition. I quite like them.
I’m not seeing any of the American hot-button issues of pedophilia, race or gender discrimination that have been mentioned. I’ll bet these ads are effective.
That IS a man inside the condom in the men’s ad. I thought it strange that a woman would be inside the condom as well as outside — especially since there was also a woman inside the condom on the women’s ad. Sigh.
I agree with Mary Stella — some of those faces in both ads look awful young, and I can also see the face in the octopus, although, upon magnification, I can see Jenny’s POV about veining as well.
As for women using condoms in same sex relationships, I would guess it might be if they use a dildo. Yes, I imagine you can clean and sterilize between uses and/or partners, but I imagine the condom would inspire more confidence in the other party as to personal protection.
And Jane George, thanks for your professional analysis from an illustrator’s POV. Very interesting.
I can see why you keep going back to these images. There’s a lot to look at.
I think it’s more that men go out and conquer new worlds
Or even “open the west“.
“water is the feminine element par excellence: the closure of the mythical world contains and reflects the comforting security of the mother’s womb….”
I think you’re onto something with the connection to fertility. That idea goes back at least to the myth of Gaia (Terra), the primordial Mother Earth or Mother Goddess. The connection between fertility and the ocean was strengthened in the late 19th & 20th Centuries by fossil discoveries indicating that modern species emerged from ancient oceans, and by the discovery of life in deep ocean rifts. (And of course female genitals are described as a “pearl”, a “shell”, and sometimes as having the briny taste of the sea. The Pearl and The Oyster were bawdy Victorian magazines; Tipping the Velvet is about an oyster girl and her male-impersonator lover.)
OTOH the female/fertility connection is an anthropocentric idea; in the natural world fertility doesn’t always require a female. Corals don’t reproduce that way, but they fit the image because of their appendages–more in the spirit of the hentai Laura mentioned.
I think I got spam-catched too. A little link’ll do ya, apparently.
Nope, you ended up moderated, although I don’t know why. I don’t know why Laura ended up in the spam, either. Evidently you sound shifty but Laura sounds depraved. Personally, I can’t see it, but then I can’t see the face on the octopus, either.
The face in the male ad looks more like a blow up doll than a person.
Are we sure that’s a man in the men’s ad? Because I was sure it was a woman. If ya’ll say it’s a man, though, I’ll believe you. But I definitely don’t see a face on the octopus.
you ended up moderated, although I don’t know why. I don’t know why Laura ended up in the spam, either. Evidently you sound shifty but Laura sounds depraved.
I think it’s at this point that RfP and I politely tell whatever made those decisions that it needs to go and dig wider holes. And if it sends my message off to the spam filter again, that’ll show that it’s got a dirty mind.
LOL. There really wasn’t anything in there to send you to spam. Maybe the whole post made Akismet nervous.
I agree with Becky, the face in the male ad looks like a blow up doll. And I don’t even want to think about why someone would need to wear a condom while using a blow up doll. I don’t think they were meant to be shared. Maybe with in the confines of a monogamous, fluid bonded relationship but even still that’s just creepy. Blow up sex dolls are just creepy. Not to sound judgey or anything but they give me the wiggins.
I don’t want to think about the damage a person could do to himself if the doll broke while in use.
Sorry about that. Couldn’t help myself.
Now returning you to your regularly scheduled grown up conversation about sex ed, the politics of advertising and cephalopod thyroid problems.
why someone would need to wear a condom while using a blow up doll
Rubber allergy?
you ended up moderated, although I don’t know why. I don’t know why Laura ended up in the spam, either. Evidently you sound shifty but Laura sounds depraved.
I was immoderate with my linkage. And Laura, well, she’s depraved on accounta she’s deprived. Depriveda tentacular titillation, poor thing.
It’ll probably moderate this too. Gee, Akismet Krupe, krup you!
er, that should be Krupke. As in,
depraved on account i’m deprived
You’re down on your knees?
Sorry, couldn’t help it.
Doesn’t it seem like in the male ad, the condom is the vehicle that takes the figure out to all the breasts, and mouths and butts. In the female ad the condom conveys a feeling of protecting the figure from all those over-eager penis and mouths.
Maybe it’s veining on that octopus, but I can’t squash the image of a child’s face complete with a hairline and eyebrows.
The first time I looked at a Georgia O’Keefe flower, I thought, “That’s it. You’ve gone over the deep end. You’re seeing body parts and thinking about sex in everything now.” Thankfully, I realized I was supposed to see and think that. It always cracked me up in SEP’s Nobody’s Baby But Mine that Jane has O’Keefe prints and the football groupie neighbor has similar thoughts.
Okay, always the odd one, but, these don’t strike me as beautiful, or a turn on, at all.
They remind me of a trip we made to the chicken processing plant when I was in high school. Big vats of warm water with raw, naked parts floating. Just yuck. And no, I do not eat chicken, under any circumstances. Count me out on this. What’s happened to illustrations any more? Headless women on romance covers, etc. etc. Is there some ugly brain virus being passed around in art school?
Okay, I’ll hush now.
I respect everyones opinion on what is and isn’t art, but to me these smack of porn. Okay, color me old-fashioned, or just old, or a prude. I think they’re gross. Where the heck is France planning on using them? Public bathroom walls? High schools? Trains?
Roben, if you look here it says that the campaign won “Cannes Lions 2008 Outdoor Bronze.” I guess that means it was an outdoor ad campaign.
It must be different, living in France. I should go.
Which kind of reminds me of my fave ad from an airline campaign: “Brazil. It’s Different Down There.”
Interesting…How’d you like to see one of these ads on the side of a bus going down the street? Would make traffic more interesting.
As for why they are both in a condom in their respective ads, I’ll just go for the more literal interpretation which relates to the environment they are exploring: a rocket for space and a submarine for the ocean. Both phallic shaped. Make of that what you will.
Oh, good call, Jessie! Now that I look at it again, some of those phalluses look rather threatening underwater (those eels! Brrrr! But I kinda like some of the coral/plantlife ones (-:). OTOH, every mouth is smiling in outerspace.
The guy is a little adrogynous, but I recognize him as a young male. For me, the octopus actually looks a bit like a baby’s head . . . but not really. Just the way the shadows fall — the blow-up shows an entirely different image (-:.
It’s interesting to think where this kind of attitude can lead. Heaven knows, the old-fashioned, threatening, “you’ll go blind” attitude has not had a 100 percent success rate. It would be nice to show women’s sexuality as more fun . . . but it’s a different kind of fun than men’s sexuality, in many cases. I think. (-: I may be a pervert.
That guy does NOT look like a guy to me. I thought he was a woman at first.
The images are beautifully rendered, but am I the only one who doesn’t find these pleasant to look at? Too many butts and boobs lined up in the space world, vaguely reminiscent of caviar or small bug parts that I never liked to look at in science lab.
I’m with the Bell Jar lady on this one.
I like them. I think they’re richly surreal.
Um, ok, one should never, ever view such interesting, colorful, tantilzing, things when under the influence of pain medication. Not to mention the type of surgey I just had made those images, well, maybe we shouldn’t go there and maybe I should stay away from the net while recoverying on and meds. Sheesh. My brain will never be the same. Then again, was it ever normal?
I can’t really imagine these posters on display in France. Not because they are so explicit but because France has a rather rigorous way of keeping out foreign languages, and as far as I know, AIDS in French is SIDA. So I suppose these are just designer suggestions that never really went anywhere. (Like the movies that win prizes but never make it to the small-town cinemas.)
They underline, however, the difference between central Europe and the U.S. concerning sexuality. The country which gave us Playboy, Penthouse etc. as well as all the romance novels with the erotic triathlon (classic, oral, freestyle) is on the other hand very bigoted when it comes to sex in everyday life. Sorry, I don’t mean to offend anybody particular, but my personal experience in this respect is very, hm, let’s say entertaining.
Thanks Jenny. I read Vervroegen’s interview. I like what he has to say about creativity and passion. I like his words but not his art. Strange huh?
Really though, I think his art is about enticing people into the adventure of sex, maybe at too young of an age. My thinking is teach the young to embrace their sexuality but not be in a hurry, learn to make wise choices.
Whatever adults want to do is between the adults. I’m more worried about what is happening in society, all of the influences and pressures on our kids. I thank God every day that my kids reached adulthood relatively unscathed.
“That guy does NOT look like a guy to me”.
I agree that the male figure is of an adolescent boy rather than an adult man, but some care has been taken to show the typically masculine contours of his chest and buttocks, and the more marked (compared with the girl) musculature of his arms. The girl is depicted as very young as well. I had no difficulty telling t’other from which.
However, I have still failed to find any lesbian hints in the female picture. Clues, anybody?
I took one look at those ads and went “Hey! That’s James Jean!” The artist, that is. He’s most famous for being the genius behind the covers to the popular Vertigo comic “Fables.” (Which is fabulous, by the way). But his work’s always appearing in magazines and such too.
And I was right.
http://www.processrecess.com/
“The country which gave us Playboy, Penthouse etc. as well as all the romance novels with the erotic triathlon (classic, oral, freestyle) is on the other hand very bigoted when it comes to sex in everyday life. Sorry, I don’t mean to offend anybody particular, but my personal experience in this respect is very, hm, let’s say entertaining–”
We Americans hear that all the time, but I don’t get it. We’re obviously having sex as much as everyone else on the planet. (grin)
Without wanting to carry this topic too far, I still need to state that there is a difference between a) having sex and b) accepting the fact that our society has finally acknowledged sex as part of people’s lives. And having lived in the U.S. as well as Europe, I find that the latter is treated differently in both places. The former is probably treated the same. At least as far as I can tell.
Ah, France.
But am I the only one who was disturbed by the suggestion that sex is something that happens between a person and random body parts?
I was under the sentimental impression that it requires two people.
Not to change the subject or anything, but Jenny, you need to know that the CB group that you and Bob kicked out of your basement is alive and well, and thriving. I just wanted to thank you for inspiring this wonderful group of people. I had the best weekend with 14 other imaginary people. Turns out that Portland Oregon is a perfect place to celebrate the Summer Solstice.
The CBs are indeed amazing, but all the credit goes to them. They created themselves. Bob and I just gave them a place to spawn.
In keeping with this post… next year you could celebrate solstice with the painted naked cyclists in Seattle. Parents take their children to the parade without qualms.
The wikipedia photos are pretty tame. If you’ve a yen for the full monty, search Flickr.com for:
fremont summer solstice naked
A place to spawn? [snort] There’s a nice visual. Well at least you didn’t say you provided the agar-filled Petri dish. Perhaps you should have warned about the dangers of swimming without a condom in the fertile and seductive waters of increasingly entertaining blog posts?
Thank you, RfP, and a big thanks to Fremont, too. And good for the parents, too. That must be a riot.
Jenny - Fremont is right up your alley. It’s where all the old school hippies relocated when Generation X took over the city of Seattle.
The images are fantastic and make me want to renew my subscription to Heavy Metal Magazine. The ads above are pretty tame to what can be found there. Azpiri will set your knickers on fire.
I can’t help but agree with those above who’ve pointed out the extreme double standard in American attitudes towards sex. Sex is a commodity in this country, the number one sales tool. When I had my daughter I was frankly shocked to find hoocheemama getups in BABY SIZES. Cuz there ain’t enough of that in jr high I guess. But then we turn right around and say, “Oh sex! Don’t even say that word or think about it because it’s baaad.”
We are so jacked up and it’s our own fault.
Dang it. My link didn’t copy over.
Azpiri. Get some.
http://www.amazon.com/Reflections-Alfonso-Azpiri/dp/1882931645/ref=pd_bbs_sr_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1214321235&sr=8-4
That parade fits right in with Freemont. There is a statue of people waiting at a bus stop. They regularly get dressed up and decorated in different outfits. Its hilarious. Freemont is a very tolerant place.
I see lots of Gen Xers in the photos. The hippies must be spreading the word. And is that Bob? With the camouflage pattern and the huge painted handlebars? The hippies are *really* spreading the word.
Search Youtube for “condom ad” sometime
These animated French ads look familiar. The gay ad says some disturbing things.
het http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QNlQQbS7nI
gay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EygAeyEioGU
Here’s a popular US condom ad - not a public service annc. but a Trojan commercial. It ran on several TV networks but not Fox.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=U6krr40mdHM
A NYT article about it:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/18/business/media/18adcol.html
Pheewww.
Very spicy topic.
Of the two ads, I prefer the one directed at women. The other one was…Comment dit-on en francais? … Yeck? But a many-pronged penis–how very erotic. (Obviously represents the environment.) Seems a little redundant otherwise though.
LOTS of room for some interesting interpretations on meanings.
In one version of the story, the devil supposedly had a two-pronged penis. One can guess…
While I wonder if either ad is wise, or if they encourage any sense of wholesomeness… although wholesomeness isn’t the trend. I suppose if the ads encourage the use of condoms and decrease the number of new cases of Aids (or other diseases), then I’m definitely for that!!! How awful for someone very young (or anyone else) who is curious about sex to contract something like that!!
The camo sounds like Bob. I have no idea of the size of his handlebars, we’re not that close.
I’m starting to want to move to Fremont. I supposed the sun doesn’t shine there, either, though. Right? And my new kitchen will be finished by the end of the week. It’d be a really dumb time to move.
Fremont gets more sun than some areas of Puget Sound. Like Whidbey Island for instance. But no, sun is a rarely occuring event, which is to be celebrated when it does show up. The CB’s brought some with them, and it looks like it will hang around clear through the weekend. CBs can work miracles.
Ha. Apparently Bob’s personal cloud o’ doom is having an effect.
Seattle Times: The area has just experienced its coldest first week of June, according to climate records dating to 1891….
the “barbecue” index [is] the number of times since March 11 (the usual start of spring here) temperature climbs to 60 degrees or more….
“It turns out that this year was the worst year of the barbecue index since 1917,” said Mass. “We only got to 60 degrees 23 times this year. Compare that to 1934 [74 times] times or 1992 [69].”
Bob is awfully handy. What else can we blame on him? My day spent googling condoms and weather?
Okay, okay, COMPLETELY off-topic, but I felt that you all should know that I finally gave in and started watching “Burn Notice” on-line yesterday. Watched all 12 episodes. In. A. Row. And am now bitter that the season premiere isn’t for a couple of weeks yet. Sheesh. You’re all evil-in the best possible way. Thank you. (Except for the part where my eyes are bleeding from watching too much TV. It’ll pass. I think.)
It’s out on DVD, too. Best show since Buffy.
As for what we can blame Bob for, he’s pretty much like a universal remote, suitable for all applications.
REMINDER TO JENNY:
Discussion of BET ME:
Thursday, June 26th, 7pm Eastern, 4pm Pacific
at http://evileditor.blogspot.com/
I asked if I could invite the rest of you to join in, but EE prefers to keep it a minions-only discussion. Sorry, guys. You could lurk, or you could read the minutes of the meeting after the discussion is over.
Oh, good call on reminding me, I’d forgotten completely. It’s grandmother/house renovation/past deadline amnesia. I can’t remember anything.
I’ll remind you again tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow….
Did anyone see the article on the Heinz Mayo ad that was cancelled in the U.K.? There’s a video of it but I don’t know how to link it as it was on AOL news.
Two guys live together, with two kids who call one of them Mum, (he’s making their lunches and using Mayo) and the guys kiss at the end of the ad before one of them leaves for work. Apparently there were enough complaints it had to be removed. I thought it was sweet.
Robena, I saw the story on CNN; apparently they did a poll of the proposed audience after the complaints came in and found enough of them were offended that they canceled the ad. Too bad; but I’ll bet if they’d been female, it would have stayed.
I think someone was watching some old Heavy Metal videos or some new “major boobage” on South Park. Cheesing, it’s bad for the kids. Just say no to cheesing.
I agree with Roben. i’m a bit shocked, Jenny, that you would post this.
What does Bob think?
Hey Barbara, just want to say I love that Jenny posts the topics that are “way out there” or that will spark some kind of debate. It’s the main reason I visit her blog every day.
Jenny makes no apologies for herself, yet accepts and allows everyone to foster an opinion. She doesn’t expect us to follow her views and be sheep, she is just saying, “Hey this is out here in the public domain, what do you think?” And me, being a person of strong opinion, well, I always have something to say. Grin.
I don’t know about Fremont, WA (we have a Fremont here in Califronia also–who knew?) but I can tell you that the hippie culture is alive and well in Santa Cruz. Spent the week there and realized that the hippie movement never died after San Francisco–they just branched out and planted themselves elsewhere. What my girls and I found to be interesting is all the pot-smoking that went on in public everywhere we went! I can’t tell you how many times we were waiting to get on a ride on Boardwalk or walking down the street and did the “Whoa–did you smell that?!” to each other. My daughter’s boyfriend even found this gorgeoud blown-glass pipe outside the Denny’s we had dinner at one night…
As for the art work–I found it to be interesting. I also thought the person in the men’s ad was a woman at first, and I also wondered a little about the blow-up doll head. That was admittedly a little weird, but I thought the ads were thought provoking. I thought the women’s ads were more dangerous compared to the men’s–hard to be threatened by tits and ass but octopuses? Of course there is always the thing about a guy having as many hands as an octopus when you are trying to fend him off, so I’m guessing that came into play with the woman’s ad. And yes, Jenny, that looks like a cow butt to me also, but why it is there is anyone’s guess. If it had been a sheep I could maybe see it, but a cow? That’s aiming pretty, um, high if you know what I mean and Bossy can pack a mean kick if you mess with her wrong… *grin* I don’t think a condom would keep a guy safe in that situation! *wicked grin* Yeah, yeah, I know, I’m just wrong…