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	<title>Comments on: Congratulations, Del and Phyllis!</title>
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	<description>More than you ever wanted to hear from Bestselling Author Jenny Crusie.</description>
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		<title>By: ZaZa</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-57537</link>
		<dc:creator>ZaZa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 12:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a couple of men friends who&#039;ve been together since college - they&#039;re in their early-70&#039;s now.  When you see two people who can live and love together for that long, it&#039;s should make anyone&#039;s heart happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a couple of men friends who&#8217;ve been together since college &#8211; they&#8217;re in their early-70&#8242;s now.  When you see two people who can live and love together for that long, it&#8217;s should make anyone&#8217;s heart happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-51033</link>
		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 20:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Update on the tux being classy looking comment:  Thinking about weddings made me a little nostalgic, so I pulled out some old photos, and---let me just say I was talking about penguin tuxes earlier, black suits worn with pristine white shirts and bowtie/cumberbund any tasteful color.

I was not, repeat NOT talking about any tux made of burgandy crushed velour sporting lapels with a wingspan wide enough to make a giant condor jealous, worn over a pink shirt with frilled jabot instead of bowtie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on the tux being classy looking comment:  Thinking about weddings made me a little nostalgic, so I pulled out some old photos, and&#8212;let me just say I was talking about penguin tuxes earlier, black suits worn with pristine white shirts and bowtie/cumberbund any tasteful color.</p>
<p>I was not, repeat NOT talking about any tux made of burgandy crushed velour sporting lapels with a wingspan wide enough to make a giant condor jealous, worn over a pink shirt with frilled jabot instead of bowtie.</p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-50963</link>
		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duncan,  Yes, WJS.  I think most close childhood friends gradually grow apart.  These two stay close because they have that rare ability to understand and support what&#039;s truly important to each other.  And they prioritize taking the time to nurture the friendship, something I wish I was better at.  I mean, I always intend to call or write, but somehow I just don&#039;t get it done . . .

One thing I thought about the first wedding, though, is the one wearing the tux got the better end of the deal, at least compared to weddings I&#039;ve stood up for.  A tux is just so classy looking, whereas I sometimes wonder if the prerequisite for selecting bridesmaid dresses is to find the one dress that will LEAST flatter the bridesmaids.

And a note on my personal &quot;There&#039;s Hope for World&quot; list, the wedding wasn&#039;t held at the church the girls grew up in, but it was held in the associated Knights of Columbus hall.  I think the church officials purposefully looked the other way, but even that is a shift from business as ususal.  Yes, we need a 180 degree change in opinion, but 90 degrees is half way there albeit in a minute part of the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duncan,  Yes, WJS.  I think most close childhood friends gradually grow apart.  These two stay close because they have that rare ability to understand and support what&#8217;s truly important to each other.  And they prioritize taking the time to nurture the friendship, something I wish I was better at.  I mean, I always intend to call or write, but somehow I just don&#8217;t get it done . . .</p>
<p>One thing I thought about the first wedding, though, is the one wearing the tux got the better end of the deal, at least compared to weddings I&#8217;ve stood up for.  A tux is just so classy looking, whereas I sometimes wonder if the prerequisite for selecting bridesmaid dresses is to find the one dress that will LEAST flatter the bridesmaids.</p>
<p>And a note on my personal &#8220;There&#8217;s Hope for World&#8221; list, the wedding wasn&#8217;t held at the church the girls grew up in, but it was held in the associated Knights of Columbus hall.  I think the church officials purposefully looked the other way, but even that is a shift from business as ususal.  Yes, we need a 180 degree change in opinion, but 90 degrees is half way there albeit in a minute part of the population.</p>
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		<title>By: Slave Driver</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-49015</link>
		<dc:creator>Slave Driver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 23:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. Doing ok now, justed stressed. Put husband &amp; kid on a plane to St. Louis, now the dogs &amp; I get to camp by our onesies through the Grand Tetons then Jackson Hole for the conference.  My peeps will miss some beautiful country, but duty calls. I&#039;ll take lots of photos for them, but it&#039;s still not the same.   And, although they are great cuddlers, dogs are not outstanding conversationalists. If they could talk mine would say &quot;Take us to DAIRY QUEEN!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Doing ok now, justed stressed. Put husband &amp; kid on a plane to St. Louis, now the dogs &amp; I get to camp by our onesies through the Grand Tetons then Jackson Hole for the conference.  My peeps will miss some beautiful country, but duty calls. I&#8217;ll take lots of photos for them, but it&#8217;s still not the same.   And, although they are great cuddlers, dogs are not outstanding conversationalists. If they could talk mine would say &#8220;Take us to DAIRY QUEEN!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Office Wench Cherry</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-48528</link>
		<dc:creator>Office Wench Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 04:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please pass on my condolences.  That is sad news.</description>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-48515</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much.  It&#039;ll mean a lot to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much.  It&#8217;ll mean a lot to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-48455</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JCF does vibes but we&#039;ll send them, too.  How very awful for her.  Give her my sympathy, please</description>
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		<title>By: Dusty</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-48395</link>
		<dc:creator>Dusty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 21:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Delurking to ask good vibes for SLC Slave Driver &amp; family.  MIL passed this AM w/o warning.  Driver texted me just now, asking for vibes.  Is this the place?  I know she comments here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Delurking to ask good vibes for SLC Slave Driver &amp; family.  MIL passed this AM w/o warning.  Driver texted me just now, asking for vibes.  Is this the place?  I know she comments here.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenni</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-48317</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re granddaughter is beautiful.  Becoming a grandparent is one of those things in life that is better than the anticipation.  It&#039;s just one of the most fabulous things that can ever happen.

Not much of a fan of marriage since to me, even though I am married, it&#039;s just a piece of paper.  I was young and stupid and did what I thought I was supposed to be doing.  The botton line was that I found someone who accepted me for exactly who I was and never wanted to change me and vise versa.  We can be individuals as well as a couple.  Anyway, life is too short.  Whatever makes you happy, gives you joy, helps you smile, that is what counts....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re granddaughter is beautiful.  Becoming a grandparent is one of those things in life that is better than the anticipation.  It&#8217;s just one of the most fabulous things that can ever happen.</p>
<p>Not much of a fan of marriage since to me, even though I am married, it&#8217;s just a piece of paper.  I was young and stupid and did what I thought I was supposed to be doing.  The botton line was that I found someone who accepted me for exactly who I was and never wanted to change me and vise versa.  We can be individuals as well as a couple.  Anyway, life is too short.  Whatever makes you happy, gives you joy, helps you smile, that is what counts&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: jackie</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47858</link>
		<dc:creator>jackie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether you want a sexaul or lifetime relationship with someone of the same or different gender than you is not the necessarily related to the culturaly defined gender you show the world.  We should all get to choose the gender roles we are most comfortable in, as well as whether or not to have a life partner (and who it is).  I think some people need to spend more time on their own relationships and lives than on everyone else&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether you want a sexaul or lifetime relationship with someone of the same or different gender than you is not the necessarily related to the culturaly defined gender you show the world.  We should all get to choose the gender roles we are most comfortable in, as well as whether or not to have a life partner (and who it is).  I think some people need to spend more time on their own relationships and lives than on everyone else&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: robena grant</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47756</link>
		<dc:creator>robena grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:24:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, I loved that story too. Those are true friends. My niece has been in a long-term lesbian relationship but she is very feminine. She loves everything girlie but is just not interested in guys, and she&#039;s more inclined to wear skirts than pants. 

Marta, your story made me think of the recent movie which I was forced to watch with my daughter, &quot;Twenty Seven Dresses.&quot; Some of the dresses were beyond ugly, and yeah, there was one tux, and many theme-related movies with weird costuming, but Katherine Heigl (sp) wore them all and participated in the weddings because she was a friend. It was a cute movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, I loved that story too. Those are true friends. My niece has been in a long-term lesbian relationship but she is very feminine. She loves everything girlie but is just not interested in guys, and she&#8217;s more inclined to wear skirts than pants. </p>
<p>Marta, your story made me think of the recent movie which I was forced to watch with my daughter, &#8220;Twenty Seven Dresses.&#8221; Some of the dresses were beyond ugly, and yeah, there was one tux, and many theme-related movies with weird costuming, but Katherine Heigl (sp) wore them all and participated in the weddings because she was a friend. It was a cute movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47712</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what she meant was that they happily wore what fit into each other&#039;s wedding.   For that day, they wore whatever worked for the bride.

It&#039;s a tradition.  Like wearing the butt-ugly bridesmaid dress because your friend the bride fell in love with hot pink/turquoise/chartreuse chiffon jumpsuits.  Yes, I had to wear one.  It was the seventies but I still looked like hell.  I didn&#039;t care, Pammy was getting married and she was the best, so I went with the psychedelic chiffon.   Same thing here except the clothes were probably very nice. 

I loved that story.  Everybody got the wedding she wanted and nobody said, &quot;But that&#039;s so not ME.&quot;  Lovely friendship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what she meant was that they happily wore what fit into each other&#8217;s wedding.   For that day, they wore whatever worked for the bride.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a tradition.  Like wearing the butt-ugly bridesmaid dress because your friend the bride fell in love with hot pink/turquoise/chartreuse chiffon jumpsuits.  Yes, I had to wear one.  It was the seventies but I still looked like hell.  I didn&#8217;t care, Pammy was getting married and she was the best, so I went with the psychedelic chiffon.   Same thing here except the clothes were probably very nice. </p>
<p>I loved that story.  Everybody got the wedding she wanted and nobody said, &#8220;But that&#8217;s so not ME.&#8221;  Lovely friendship.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.  I first read Lyon and Martin&#039;s &quot;Lesbian/Woman&quot; over 30 years ago, and I recall a passage in there that has always stayed with me.  Back in the 50s and 60s when Daughters of Bilitis was stressing gender conformity and respectability, you could always spot the lesbians at national parks: they&#039;d be the ones in capri pants and feminine shoes, stumbling along, trying to look feminine -- while the stomping butch in jeans, flannel shirt and hiking books would have a husband and a string of kids following along behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.  I first read Lyon and Martin&#8217;s &#8220;Lesbian/Woman&#8221; over 30 years ago, and I recall a passage in there that has always stayed with me.  Back in the 50s and 60s when Daughters of Bilitis was stressing gender conformity and respectability, you could always spot the lesbians at national parks: they&#8217;d be the ones in capri pants and feminine shoes, stumbling along, trying to look feminine &#8212; while the stomping butch in jeans, flannel shirt and hiking books would have a husband and a string of kids following along behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47707</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gay, and I wear men&#039;s clothing... that&#039;s remarkable?  Would I have to wear a gown at your friend&#039;s wedding?  8-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gay, and I wear men&#8217;s clothing&#8230; that&#8217;s remarkable?  Would I have to wear a gown at your friend&#8217;s wedding?  <img src='http://www.arghink.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Marta</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47453</link>
		<dc:creator>Marta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My daughter has two friends who&#039;ve been best friends since birth.  One is straight. One is gay, and wears men&#039;s clothing.  When she got married last year, she wore a tux, and so did the best friend as &#039;best man&#039;.  This year, the straight one is getting married, and she&#039;ll be wearing the traditional white bridal gown.  Her best friend will also be wearing a gown as &#039;matron of honor&#039;.  An outstanding example of the finest qualities of friendship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My daughter has two friends who&#8217;ve been best friends since birth.  One is straight. One is gay, and wears men&#8217;s clothing.  When she got married last year, she wore a tux, and so did the best friend as &#8216;best man&#8217;.  This year, the straight one is getting married, and she&#8217;ll be wearing the traditional white bridal gown.  Her best friend will also be wearing a gown as &#8216;matron of honor&#8217;.  An outstanding example of the finest qualities of friendship.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was brought up in a VERY religous and closed minded family. Oddly enough my dad&#039;s, the one I don&#039;t speak to, family is Pentecostal. You know the religion where the women aren&#039;t allowed to cut their hair, wear make-up, wear pants, etc. And the kids were supposed to be seen and not heard. So growing up we were told what a sin it was to be gay and how you would burn in eternal damnation. As I grew up, thankfully, I also grew to have my own opinions and I grew away from my family&#039;s faith. My Mom stopped going to my Dad&#039;s family&#039;s church as well so it made it easier to be able to share my new views on the world. People who believe that God is going to punish someone for loving another human being really boggle my mind.
I think the story of Del and Phyllis is not only a story of inspiration but a story of true love. So many heterosexual relationships don&#039;t last that long and they are allowed to marry everyday without a second thought. So many congratulations to Del and Phyllis and may they have many more years of happy and blessed years together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was brought up in a VERY religous and closed minded family. Oddly enough my dad&#8217;s, the one I don&#8217;t speak to, family is Pentecostal. You know the religion where the women aren&#8217;t allowed to cut their hair, wear make-up, wear pants, etc. And the kids were supposed to be seen and not heard. So growing up we were told what a sin it was to be gay and how you would burn in eternal damnation. As I grew up, thankfully, I also grew to have my own opinions and I grew away from my family&#8217;s faith. My Mom stopped going to my Dad&#8217;s family&#8217;s church as well so it made it easier to be able to share my new views on the world. People who believe that God is going to punish someone for loving another human being really boggle my mind.<br />
I think the story of Del and Phyllis is not only a story of inspiration but a story of true love. So many heterosexual relationships don&#8217;t last that long and they are allowed to marry everyday without a second thought. So many congratulations to Del and Phyllis and may they have many more years of happy and blessed years together.</p>
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		<title>By: flip</title>
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		<dc:creator>flip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I choked up.</description>
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		<title>By: AgTigress</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47204</link>
		<dc:creator>AgTigress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a very touching story.  Congratulations, Del and Phyllis.

Civil Partnership ceremonies and legal registration for same-sex couples were introduced in the UK on December 5, 2005, and naturally, many of the first couples to marry (although the actual word &#039;marriage&#039; is not used!) made the news.  It was very striking how many of them, both men and women, were middle-aged or older couples who had been together for decades. Some gay men had been together since the 1950s, like the two ladies featured here;  they had seen our society move from classifying their relationship not merely as immoral but as &lt;i&gt;criminal&lt;/i&gt; to an attitude in which the law, and most rational people, regard it in much the same light as a bonded male/female partnership. 

Many things were better in the past:  this is one thing where we have moved in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very touching story.  Congratulations, Del and Phyllis.</p>
<p>Civil Partnership ceremonies and legal registration for same-sex couples were introduced in the UK on December 5, 2005, and naturally, many of the first couples to marry (although the actual word &#8216;marriage&#8217; is not used!) made the news.  It was very striking how many of them, both men and women, were middle-aged or older couples who had been together for decades. Some gay men had been together since the 1950s, like the two ladies featured here;  they had seen our society move from classifying their relationship not merely as immoral but as <i>criminal</i> to an attitude in which the law, and most rational people, regard it in much the same light as a bonded male/female partnership. </p>
<p>Many things were better in the past:  this is one thing where we have moved in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: K.L.</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47192</link>
		<dc:creator>K.L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marriage is only as sacred as the two people within it make it.  Love never devalues anything.  I&#039;m pretty sure that we heteros have done more than enough damage to the institution.  I cannot see how allowing GLBT marriages could do anything but make it better.

Congratulations ladies, and I pray every day that California does the right thing and makes the right permanent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marriage is only as sacred as the two people within it make it.  Love never devalues anything.  I&#8217;m pretty sure that we heteros have done more than enough damage to the institution.  I cannot see how allowing GLBT marriages could do anything but make it better.</p>
<p>Congratulations ladies, and I pray every day that California does the right thing and makes the right permanent.</p>
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		<title>By: Ingrid</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2008/06/18/congratulations-del-and-phyllis/#comment-47181</link>
		<dc:creator>Ingrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To put all this sweetness and light slightly into perspective: the California wedding was on the Dutch news too. The news reader followed it by saying that of course we in the Netherlands have moved along from that stage. The number of same-sex divorces is rising quite steeply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To put all this sweetness and light slightly into perspective: the California wedding was on the Dutch news too. The news reader followed it by saying that of course we in the Netherlands have moved along from that stage. The number of same-sex divorces is rising quite steeply.</p>
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