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	<title>Comments on: Zelda 12: But What Does She Want?</title>
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	<description>More than you ever wanted to hear from Bestselling Author Jenny Crusie.</description>
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		<title>By: Ellen</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2204</link>
		<dc:creator>Ellen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:49:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely scene.  Thanks for sharing.</description>
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		<title>By: ZaZa</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2203</link>
		<dc:creator>ZaZa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 21:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we can roam wherever, Jenny have you heard of Sufjan Stevens?  He&#039;s a singer/songwriter, sort of.  He started out to be a writer but got sidetracked.  Here&#039;s a link to an interview:
http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/stevens-sufjan-050808.shtml

He has some interesting things to say about music and narrative structure.  I&#039;d be interested to see what you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we can roam wherever, Jenny have you heard of Sufjan Stevens?  He&#8217;s a singer/songwriter, sort of.  He started out to be a writer but got sidetracked.  Here&#8217;s a link to an interview:<br />
<a href="http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/stevens-sufjan-050808.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/stevens-sufjan-050808.shtml</a></p>
<p>He has some interesting things to say about music and narrative structure.  I&#8217;d be interested to see what you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Kira</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2202</link>
		<dc:creator>Kira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, I just reread a bunch of your books all at once. Your writing is delicious, and spoils me for everyone else except maybe Terry Pratchett.

But in rereading all those books, I noticed that in many cases, I felt like there were 50 pages missing near the end. Especially in Fred&#039;s Book, where there should have been a full chapter about the house he bought without telling her, and a nice chunk of character development for the ob/gyn brother and the writer friend, each.  

I know that you are under a lot of pressure from editors to keep the page count down. But you are a successful author, and you are entitled to a few (hundred) more pages to finish your characters&#039; stories properly. I, for one, would be delighted to find a 400 page Jenny Crusie book, and I would even pay the extra buck it takes them to print it.

Speaking of Terry Pratchett, nobody dares to tell him to cut pages, even though he rambles mightily, and don&#039;t we eat up each and every word?

You, too.

Best of luck, from a grateful and admiring reader (and her equally admiring sister)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, I just reread a bunch of your books all at once. Your writing is delicious, and spoils me for everyone else except maybe Terry Pratchett.</p>
<p>But in rereading all those books, I noticed that in many cases, I felt like there were 50 pages missing near the end. Especially in Fred&#8217;s Book, where there should have been a full chapter about the house he bought without telling her, and a nice chunk of character development for the ob/gyn brother and the writer friend, each.  </p>
<p>I know that you are under a lot of pressure from editors to keep the page count down. But you are a successful author, and you are entitled to a few (hundred) more pages to finish your characters&#8217; stories properly. I, for one, would be delighted to find a 400 page Jenny Crusie book, and I would even pay the extra buck it takes them to print it.</p>
<p>Speaking of Terry Pratchett, nobody dares to tell him to cut pages, even though he rambles mightily, and don&#8217;t we eat up each and every word?</p>
<p>You, too.</p>
<p>Best of luck, from a grateful and admiring reader (and her equally admiring sister)</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2192</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 03:42:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s okay, Mary.
This is not an On Topic site.  Follow your thoughts wherever they may roam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s okay, Mary.<br />
This is not an On Topic site.  Follow your thoughts wherever they may roam.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2191</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 01:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m neither of the T-women, nor would I dare try to play them on TV, but Dr. Goodword does have an interesting point on the animal adjectives used to describe people.

A human can be sheepish, or catty, but if you want to describe the animal itself, you have to leave English adjectives and go off into their Latinate equivalents, e.g. feline instead of catty or ovine instead of sheepish.

http://www.alphadictionary.com/blog/?p=49

I&#039;m trying hard to think of a way to tie this in to Zelda and Scylla...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m neither of the T-women, nor would I dare try to play them on TV, but Dr. Goodword does have an interesting point on the animal adjectives used to describe people.</p>
<p>A human can be sheepish, or catty, but if you want to describe the animal itself, you have to leave English adjectives and go off into their Latinate equivalents, e.g. feline instead of catty or ovine instead of sheepish.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alphadictionary.com/blog/?p=49" rel="nofollow">http://www.alphadictionary.com/blog/?p=49</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m trying hard to think of a way to tie this in to Zelda and Scylla&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ZaZa</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2180</link>
		<dc:creator>ZaZa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 05:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, dang.  I guess I should have &quot;refreshed&quot; before sending that last comment.  *sheepish expression*  What exactly is that, anyway.  Sheep don&#039;t really have much expression, so where did it come from?  Oh, for Tal or Tigress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, dang.  I guess I should have &#8220;refreshed&#8221; before sending that last comment.  *sheepish expression*  What exactly is that, anyway.  Sheep don&#8217;t really have much expression, so where did it come from?  Oh, for Tal or Tigress.</p>
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		<title>By: ZaZa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZaZa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 05:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Strop, remember POV.  You&#039;re in Scylla&#039;s head.  So, unless she would differentiate, it&#039;s British.  ;+)))</description>
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		<title>By: Dora</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Dora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 18:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was great reading these chapters and the rewrites. You know, I read Zelda&#039;s chapter and I have no problem at all with her having only negative motivations, because her motivations are strong and understandable enough. Some people found her whiny, but memories of social humiliation are a powerful thing. 

I know people whose drive in life is precisely the fact that they grew up in a snobbish environment and who suffered a hundred small humiliations as children because of their social background -- that stuff just doesn&#039;t disappear like that. Sure, social class may not be as important in the US as in Europe, but it still matters, at least in the situation you describe. And she wasn&#039;t only the maid&#039;s daughter, which would look comparable to Scylla&#039;s position, she was conceived because one of the weekend guests had fun with the maid, and hell, I had no trouble understanding why she didn&#039;t want to set foot in that house. Yes, it happened in the 70s, when being an illegitimate child was not such a stain, but knowing exactly in which social circumstances it happenened -- and constantly being reminded of it, I suppose, by seeing her mother serve the weekend guests and by being hired help herself is a powerful motivation enough. 

I had no trouble reading the character and I felt for her a little more than for Scylla. The latter is wonderfully written, but I thought she came across as willfully blind to her friend&#039;s reluctance. I get it, because for her, it&#039;s her story and people have to play their part in it, and it&#039;s entirely believable that Zelda downplayed the reasons why she didn&#039;t want to go back to the house, but Scylla looks a little like someone who is all &quot;This is my ideal scenario and you&#039;re not going to mess with it, dammit.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was great reading these chapters and the rewrites. You know, I read Zelda&#8217;s chapter and I have no problem at all with her having only negative motivations, because her motivations are strong and understandable enough. Some people found her whiny, but memories of social humiliation are a powerful thing. </p>
<p>I know people whose drive in life is precisely the fact that they grew up in a snobbish environment and who suffered a hundred small humiliations as children because of their social background &#8212; that stuff just doesn&#8217;t disappear like that. Sure, social class may not be as important in the US as in Europe, but it still matters, at least in the situation you describe. And she wasn&#8217;t only the maid&#8217;s daughter, which would look comparable to Scylla&#8217;s position, she was conceived because one of the weekend guests had fun with the maid, and hell, I had no trouble understanding why she didn&#8217;t want to set foot in that house. Yes, it happened in the 70s, when being an illegitimate child was not such a stain, but knowing exactly in which social circumstances it happenened &#8212; and constantly being reminded of it, I suppose, by seeing her mother serve the weekend guests and by being hired help herself is a powerful motivation enough. </p>
<p>I had no trouble reading the character and I felt for her a little more than for Scylla. The latter is wonderfully written, but I thought she came across as willfully blind to her friend&#8217;s reluctance. I get it, because for her, it&#8217;s her story and people have to play their part in it, and it&#8217;s entirely believable that Zelda downplayed the reasons why she didn&#8217;t want to go back to the house, but Scylla looks a little like someone who is all &#8220;This is my ideal scenario and you&#8217;re not going to mess with it, dammit.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: pat mc</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>pat mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 14:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>after reading the first chapter car scene, I know who I would start with in the killing off of the relatives,if infact you are going to knock off some of the relatives. there are so many who the reader will be rooting for.  um, i gotta get more cold meds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>after reading the first chapter car scene, I know who I would start with in the killing off of the relatives,if infact you are going to knock off some of the relatives. there are so many who the reader will be rooting for.  um, i gotta get more cold meds</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 21:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The confusion about Scots versus English, Welsh, Irish accents won&#039;t be at all meaningful to American readers. They don&#039;t realize that there&#039;s still a big schism between the English and the Scots, for example (which I discovered only when I moved to Scotland for a year in college). So I think it&#039;s perfectly &quot;American normal&quot; (not necessarily enlightened) for Scylla to refer to a British accent rather than an English accent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The confusion about Scots versus English, Welsh, Irish accents won&#8217;t be at all meaningful to American readers. They don&#8217;t realize that there&#8217;s still a big schism between the English and the Scots, for example (which I discovered only when I moved to Scotland for a year in college). So I think it&#8217;s perfectly &#8220;American normal&#8221; (not necessarily enlightened) for Scylla to refer to a British accent rather than an English accent.</p>
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		<title>By: Strop</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2157</link>
		<dc:creator>Strop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 10:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this could be a good way to add more conflict - make Quentin a Scot and let Scylla keep calling him British.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this could be a good way to add more conflict &#8211; make Quentin a Scot and let Scylla keep calling him British.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2152</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 07:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I thought, that Scylla would think &quot;British accent&quot; because she wouldn&#039;t be able to distinquish English from Welsh from Scots.

I don&#039;t think I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I thought, that Scylla would think &#8220;British accent&#8221; because she wouldn&#8217;t be able to distinquish English from Welsh from Scots.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I can.</p>
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		<title>By: downundergal</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2149</link>
		<dc:creator>downundergal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh Mary - that&#039;s just a cricket thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh Mary &#8211; that&#8217;s just a cricket thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2148</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2007 04:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would Scylla know to distinguish between the different types of UK accents? Has she traveled? Watched a lot of Rick Steves shows on PBS?
I had a friend ask me if England was part of Britain or if it was the other way &#039;round. 
And I used to work with a guy from the North of England. He would get really annoyed when he was asked &#039;which part of Australia&#039; he came from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would Scylla know to distinguish between the different types of UK accents? Has she traveled? Watched a lot of Rick Steves shows on PBS?<br />
I had a friend ask me if England was part of Britain or if it was the other way &#8217;round.<br />
And I used to work with a guy from the North of England. He would get really annoyed when he was asked &#8216;which part of Australia&#8217; he came from.</p>
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		<title>By: Strop</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2141</link>
		<dc:creator>Strop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NOT a British accent. An English, Scots, Irish or Welsh accent, but not British. I&#039;m assuming you mean English.

Seems to be a bit of an &#039;early Rachel and Leo&#039; vibe going on between Quentin and Scylla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NOT a British accent. An English, Scots, Irish or Welsh accent, but not British. I&#8217;m assuming you mean English.</p>
<p>Seems to be a bit of an &#8216;early Rachel and Leo&#8217; vibe going on between Quentin and Scylla.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2122</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 23:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an awesome scene.</description>
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		<title>By: Kieran</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2121</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the reference to the Rat with an Island essay, Office Wench Cherry, which I had never read until now. It&#039;s both brilliantly written and inspiring. At the risk of sounding sycophantic, I have to say that if Jenny is not remembered one day as being one of the greatest female artist role models of our time, no one should receive that honor!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the reference to the Rat with an Island essay, Office Wench Cherry, which I had never read until now. It&#8217;s both brilliantly written and inspiring. At the risk of sounding sycophantic, I have to say that if Jenny is not remembered one day as being one of the greatest female artist role models of our time, no one should receive that honor!</p>
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		<title>By: ZaZa</title>
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		<dc:creator>ZaZa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 22:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, if you&#039;re still checking these comments...I just reread the rats with islands article OWC mentioned.  And I&#039;m wondering about CW&#039;s opinion on what a collab with two names on the cover will earn.  Didn&#039;t you say on HW/SW that it made more than a single title of either or yours? Or is that my faulty memory?

What was the actual outcome?  We know DLD did really well, but did it flip CW the bird?  Please say it did.  ;+)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, if you&#8217;re still checking these comments&#8230;I just reread the rats with islands article OWC mentioned.  And I&#8217;m wondering about CW&#8217;s opinion on what a collab with two names on the cover will earn.  Didn&#8217;t you say on HW/SW that it made more than a single title of either or yours? Or is that my faulty memory?</p>
<p>What was the actual outcome?  We know DLD did really well, but did it flip CW the bird?  Please say it did.  ;+)</p>
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		<title>By: Office Wench Cherry</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2117</link>
		<dc:creator>Office Wench Cherry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 19:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love Scylla and now I want blue countertops and a red colander and a yellow mixer.  I can picture her and her kitchen so clearly. 

It&#039;s amazing the difference the positive goal makes on a scene.  Zelda seems petulant in not wanting to go into Rosemore, it&#039;s almost childish (which makes sense given her childhood connection to the place and Rose) but it makes her seem whiny as opposed to driven.  Scylla is driven and she is, by God, a famous Crusie Rat With An Island and she is swimming for all she&#039;s worth. For those of you who don&#039;t recognize that, look under Essays on the main page in the Books, etc. section. It&#039;s  fantastic.  

So, Jenny, book done yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love Scylla and now I want blue countertops and a red colander and a yellow mixer.  I can picture her and her kitchen so clearly. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing the difference the positive goal makes on a scene.  Zelda seems petulant in not wanting to go into Rosemore, it&#8217;s almost childish (which makes sense given her childhood connection to the place and Rose) but it makes her seem whiny as opposed to driven.  Scylla is driven and she is, by God, a famous Crusie Rat With An Island and she is swimming for all she&#8217;s worth. For those of you who don&#8217;t recognize that, look under Essays on the main page in the Books, etc. section. It&#8217;s  fantastic.  </p>
<p>So, Jenny, book done yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri</title>
		<link>http://www.arghink.com/2007/02/24/zelda-12-but-what-does-she-want/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I love Scylla?  Let me count the ways. I love the constantly changing story in her head.  I love how she sees herself in the movie of her life--she is very real to me now!  I like the fact that she is an herb expert.  It goes along with her mother being the cook and Scylla standing at her elbow when she was little, watching and learning without even realizing she is doing it.  

So her NEED to create those good meals goes back to her NEED to connect with her mother and those good memories from her childhood and her NEED to make Zelda happy again.  She believes she can do anything with her magic box...  I just love her to pieces already!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I love Scylla?  Let me count the ways. I love the constantly changing story in her head.  I love how she sees herself in the movie of her life&#8211;she is very real to me now!  I like the fact that she is an herb expert.  It goes along with her mother being the cook and Scylla standing at her elbow when she was little, watching and learning without even realizing she is doing it.  </p>
<p>So her NEED to create those good meals goes back to her NEED to connect with her mother and those good memories from her childhood and her NEED to make Zelda happy again.  She believes she can do anything with her magic box&#8230;  I just love her to pieces already!</p>
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